***2015 NFL Offseason***

[3 SS's]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

you should fact check this guy. he likes to pull shit from his ass, apparently.

Pull shit from my ass ? don't be so quick to be a dickhead, I said the Pats went to the Superbowl with the 31st defense, I however, didn't say last season , so "fact check" that
But I guess, when a team goes to the game 6 times in just a little over a decade, one could get confused on that stat.

[3 SS's]

Originally Posted by Muscle Car Lover

Ugh, well here goes......

I feel let down by Mr. Kraft today big time.

With that, none of this matters anymore. Maybe Brady gets the suspension down to 2 games, but Kraft eating it today cements that the Patriots are taking guilt in this matter. No other way to read into it. I did in fact read all of the Wells report and there are several curious things about it (logo gauge dismissal, etc) but it's all just talk now. Either Kraft did not want to escalate the matter vs. the NFL (which would be a big deal) or he knows more than I think and it's worse than I think.

I was wrong and can admit it.

Hopefully after next week things can get back to actual football.

Listen, Kraft did let everyone down.....but I by no means take it as an admission of guilt, I know others will look at it that way and nothing will change their minds, however....this was about him, the 31 other owners and the " Shield"
He was willing to give up the draft picks and money, in order to let the "patriots" end of this matter drop, to me...what will be the deciding factor, will be Brady's course from here on out, he is the one this is about, not Kraft.

[3 SS's]

Anyway...Pats still the AFC East favorit

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by Firefighter

You need to stop discounting the Phins. We made major improvements all around.

Sun, Wake, Philips, McCoy that's no joke for a Defense

The Receiving corps has been touted by many analysts to be the best young corps in the league. Parker, Landry, Stills, Jennings and then some.

Tannehill is going to blow up, if you don't see that we have a lot of potential you are in denial.

Now does it get put together right?????

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In my personal opinion, the Phins are still the 3rd best team in their division. The Jets have too many holes on offense to be considered any real threat, and with all the changeover there, I wouldn't expect much more than a good to great defensive effort like they always have had.

The Bills honestly should have been a playoff team last year. They have a quality D, a good offensive line and rushing attack, and a decent receiving core. Had they had a decent QB of Cassell's ability last season, they easily would have been 11-5, and made the playoffs.

The Phins problem, is as you said, will it get put together right? Too many meltdowns last year resulted in too many losses.

Whoever said the Phins had the league's best young receiving core is smoking btw... the Colts would be the correct answer...

Originally Posted by 3 SS's

Anyway...Pats still the AFC East favorit

If Brady misses 4 games, not even close...

If Brady misses only 2 or none - I'll agree 100%

[Firefighter]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

In my personal opinion, the Phins are still the 3rd best team in their division. The Jets have too many holes on offense to be considered any real threat, and with all the changeover there, I wouldn't expect much more than a good to great defensive effort like they always have had.

The Bills honestly should have been a playoff team last year. They have a quality D, a good offensive line and rushing attack, and a decent receiving core. Had they had a decent QB of Cassell's ability last season, they easily would have been 11-5, and made the playoffs.

The Phins problem, is as you said, will it get put together right? Too many meltdowns last year resulted in too many losses.

Whoever said the Phins had the league's best young receiving core is smoking btw... the Colts would be the correct answer...





If Brady misses 4 games, not even close...

If Brady misses only 2 or none - I'll agree 100%

I disagree on the assessment.

First Cassel is not that good. He's sucked everywhere but that ONE season in NE.

Miami has a quality D that just got better with several major additions.

Miami also was a few plays away in several games from victory that would have made them 11-5 so what every benefit of the doubt you give the Bills it surely should be given to the Phins.

We made MAJOR improvements with our receivers and running game I also have hope for the O line so like I said look for big numbers.

I still question Philbin, but he's less of a mess than Rex.

The Pats are still contenders for the first spot because Bellichick always finds a way to make it work...

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[Firefighter]

Originally Posted by 3 SS's

Anyway...Pats still the AFC East favorit

I grudgingly admit they are king until proven otherwise...

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[Firefighter]

Originally Posted by 3 SS's

Pull shit from my ass ? don't be so quick to be a dickhead, I said the Pats went to the Superbowl with the 31st defense, I however, didn't say last season , so "fact check" that
But I guess, when a team goes to the game 6 times in just a little over a decade, one could get confused on that stat.

Way to make yourself right there... LoL

"I didn't say which SB" you're killing me smalls.... LoL

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[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by Firefighter

I disagree on the assessment.

First Cassel is not that good. He's sucked everywhere but that ONE season in NE.

Miami has a quality D that just got better with several major additions.

Miami also was a few plays away in several games from victory that would have made them 11-5 so what every benefit of the doubt you give the Bills it surely should be given to the Phins.

We made MAJOR improvements with our receivers and running game I also have hope for the O line so like I said look for big numbers.

I still question Philbin, but he's less of a mess than Rex.

The Pats are still contenders for the first spot because Bellichick always finds a way to make it work...

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Cassel is still better than any QB the Bills have had honestly in over a decade. I'd also like to point out that while he wasn't great in KC, a lot of that wasn't really his issue. That team was pretty dysfunctional while he was there. The one real knock isn't his talent, but whether he can stay healthy.

The only reason the Bills WEREN'T a playoff team last year was because of bad QB play. It wasn't because of meltdowns or anything else, it was because their QB was just terrible. Miami had issues all over the place, mostly because of their coach however.

Without Brady for 4 games, the Patriots aren't in the drivers seat at all. In fact, I would go so far as to say that without Brady, the only game they'll be considered a favorite in those first 4 games will be against Jacksonville, and even then, that's not a gimme game.


Of all the divisions in football, the AFC East is by far the one that is up for grabs the most, and as a fan of football, I'm glad to see it. It's always more fun when there's a lot of competition in the same division like there was in the AFC North for several of the last seasons and in the NFC East too.

[Firefighter]

Saying Cassel is the best QB they've had in a decade is like saying "this is the most red car I've ever had" when all you've ever had was white cars...

I do agree with liking competition though.

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[Muscle Car Lover]

Goodell in today's press conf was pretty adamant about where he stands. Was hoping for a reduced suspension to 2 games, but I think that's out the window.

[trashmanssd]

I have very little question that the Pats offense even with Garoppolo will be good enough to win (put 20 something on the board) as long as you have Gronk and Edelman and Lafell and what ever guy the plug in at run back that week. For me it is all about the defense or lack their of. Corner back position is a complete gamble, I think we are back in the spot we were few years ago where you felt better on 3rd and short then you did 3rd and long because maybe the other team would run and we had a chance to stop that. D-Line scares me a bit with Vince gone or his 300 HHMMM and 25 lbs gone (looks more like 375 lbs). I think the Line backers actually look like are a strong point but may suffer from trying to hard to help the people in front and behind them, and look bad in the process. I think the division is a toss up if Brady misses 4 games if its 2 games I fell better about the division. But I still don't see us making past division weekend in the playoffs unless there is a huge surprise from the defensive backs.

My Guess at standings are: (and I can see those going plus or minus 2 games for any those teams.)
Pats: 10-6
Miami: 9-7
Buffalo: 9-7
Jets: 5-11

[Firefighter]

That's a reasonable prediction for the standings except I honestly see one more win out of Miami. I really think for the first time in a long time we had a really good off season and legitimately improved the team...

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[Firefighter]

Philbin needs to make the post season or he's out. I can't bear another regime change...

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[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by trashmanssd

I have very little question that the Pats offense even with Garoppolo will be good enough to win (put 20 something on the board) as long as you have Gronk and Edelman and Lafell and what ever guy the plug in at run back that week. For me it is all about the defense or lack their of. Corner back position is a complete gamble, I think we are back in the spot we were few years ago where you felt better on 3rd and short then you did 3rd and long because maybe the other team would run and we had a chance to stop that. D-Line scares me a bit with Vince gone or his 300 HHMMM and 25 lbs gone (looks more like 375 lbs). I think the Line backers actually look like are a strong point but may suffer from trying to hard to help the people in front and behind them, and look bad in the process. I think the division is a toss up if Brady misses 4 games if its 2 games I fell better about the division. But I still don't see us making past division weekend in the playoffs unless there is a huge surprise from the defensive backs.

My Guess at standings are: (and I can see those going plus or minus 2 games for any those teams.)
Pats: 10-6
Miami: 9-7
Buffalo: 9-7
Jets: 5-11

See, I actually think the defense will be good enough in the first 3 out of 4 games to keep them in the game without Brady. The real question will be can they scare the opposing defense enough on offense to score TDs. Kicking FG's just wont win them any games....

With Brady at QB, there wasn't any play off the table. Without him, I think that seriously hinders some of the playcalling on offense. If the Pats can run the ball well, they will be in every game they play without Brady. If not, it's not going to look good.

I say they go 1-3 against the first 4....and probably finish up 10-6 like you predicted....but I think Buffalo or Miami will be ahead of them to win the division.