Old Muscle Cars vs. New Muscle Cars

[JayV83]

we are comparing apple to oranges in my opinion. I have a 70 GTO with a 467 stroker that makes 611 hp and 599 ftlbs on pump gas at the crank, I also have a 2010 supercharged camaro that makes 598 rwhp and 540 rwtq so thats around 705 to 710 crank hp. My GTO is making about 100 less hp than my camaro but it wipes the stupid smile off of the camaro's face. The power of my GTO is raw, unrefined, unforgiving and instant. If you make one wrong move with it, will know when its too late lol. My camaro is no slouch, but the power delivery is so much smoother and forgiving, not to mention it almost drives itself with stabilitrak and what not. But I can drive my camaro down the highway and still get 24 mpg and my pontiac.....well mayby get 8 mpg taking it easy lol. My gto is an around town kind of car and the camaro can be driven across the country..... my two cars are both muscle cars but they both are completely different. not to mention that these new cars are so heavy with all the creature comforts and sound deadening and safety stuff, they need a lot more hp to be fast. a 1970 buick stage 1 455 gsx ran in the 12's with the worst tire you can ever imagine. you put a modern drag radial or slick on it and its low 12 to high 11s

[evolve]

My next car will be a 60s or 70 muscle car. Im thinking a Chevelle or a fastback Mustang. There is always the possibility of a GTO or Cuda too...

[102SS]

Originally Posted by SamSS

Whenever someone's talking about muscle cars, everyone thinks about the ones from the 60's and 70's. I don't have anything against that. I think those were the "real" muscle cars too.
I wanna know what the people with those older 10 second muscle cars actually think of the people with the newer muscle cars. I know I'm gonna be tons of mods to my 2010 SS in the near future. Would you say we belong in the same group? What is your mind set?

You mean 10 seconds in the 1/8th right?

Old muscle is great....in someone elses garage.

Let someone else preserve history,I prefer having fun and modern muscle lets you have your cake and eat it to.

BTW most guys with older muscle respect our cars just like we respect theirs.

[rontammy0]

Originally Posted by JayV83

we are comparing apple to oranges in my opinion. I have a 70 GTO with a 467 stroker that makes 611 hp and 599 ftlbs on pump gas at the crank, I also have a 2010 supercharged camaro that makes 598 rwhp and 540 rwtq so thats around 705 to 710 crank hp. My GTO is making about 100 less hp than my camaro but it wipes the stupid smile off of the camaro's face. The power of my GTO is raw, unrefined, unforgiving and instant. If you make one wrong move with it, will know when its too late lol. My camaro is no slouch, but the power delivery is so much smoother and forgiving, not to mention it almost drives itself with stabilitrak and what not. But I can drive my camaro down the highway and still get 24 mpg and my pontiac.....well mayby get 8 mpg taking it easy lol. My gto is an around town kind of car and the camaro can be driven across the country..... my two cars are both muscle cars but they both are completely different. not to mention that these new cars are so heavy with all the creature comforts and sound deadening and safety stuff, they need a lot more hp to be fast. a 1970 buick stage 1 455 gsx ran in the 12's with the worst tire you can ever imagine. you put a modern drag radial or slick on it and its low 12 to high 11s

Don't tell the V6 guys that.....multiple post about how their cars are faster then the muscle cars of days gone by. That car weighed 3800lbs if I remember. Ran a very best of 13.4 .I don't think that car will run into the 11s with just a tire upgrade but who knows.

[Sandman1969]

Originally Posted by L36L72LS3

the LS motors are smooth, no question about it. But, I'll tell you what, EVERYBODY at an intersection stops and listens or a block away can hear a 427 L88 coming. Nothing like a .685 cammed BigBlock idling thru an 850 Holley and Hookers with 3" exhaust to the back.

http://vid141.photobucket.com/albums...c/IMG_0038.mp4

Gorgeous SS! Would have rather seen it making some runs rather than backing into a garage! But sounds sweet.

[cb66]

The 2 can not be compared . I love the old and love the new its 2 different eras .Although I was very young during the 60s early 70s muscle car era I can remember quite well every detail on my dads 66 Chevelle SS he owned up until the gas crunch of the mid 70s . One of the biggest differences between then and now are emissions regulations, with the exception of the youngest members I don't have to tell most in this forum that back in the days of leaded gasoline and todays world its an entirely different ball game.

[rontammy0]

I have always wanted a muscle car. Researched the crap out of them in the 80s when I was in high school. When it came time to buy one......I picked modern muscle over the classics because I wanted to drive it hard and not worry about breaking anything. Still would like a 440 cornet at some point.

[tet68]

active participant in first era active participant second era all fun but different

[chuckstacamaro]

Who came up with this Fanboy Name, Anyway? If you are into Muscle cars or Hot Rods you are either a Gear Head or Car Guy/Enthusiast. NOT a Fanboy. Fanboy must be a name thought up by Import/Ricer Guys. Not for American Muscle Car people.

[rontammy0]

Originally Posted by chuckstacamaro

Who came up with this Fanboy Name, Anyway? If you are into Muscle cars or Hot Rods you are either a Gear Head or Car Guy/Enthusiast. NOT a Fanboy. Fanboy must be a name thought up by Import/Ricer Guys. Not for American Muscle Car people.

Same crowd that came up with the no lift shift. Power shifting is the name.

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by rontammy0

Same crowd that came up with the no lift shift. Power shifting is the name.

No lift shift is different than power shifting. With no lift shift, the computer holds the rpm at the same level as when you shifted. With power shifting, when you stab the clutch the rpm goes up. If you shift without using the clutch, your trans will crap out unless you have a Jericho with straight cut gears.

[Criticalmass]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

Gotta say I'm the opposite. I'm damn near 44 and when growing up, there weren't enough cool cars around to have the luxury of Chevy vs Ford etc etc.

My earliest- and best- old school muscle car memory is the day I bought my '70 Buick convertible in 1989, last day of July. A guy with a '64 Mercury Comet stopped by out of the blue. Straight pipes, four speed, sounded like a machine gun when he slowed down. He told me "Nice car kid (I was 17). When you drive that thing you're king of the road" and then he took off. Damn I miss those days, good times all the time. I must have met a thousand people due to my old car. Cops pulled me over to talk cars. Once I was pulled over because the cop wanted to buy it!

My Mopar buddies like my '70 Buick. They like my Camaro. I like their Mopars. I saw a new Boss 302 last week, gave the guy a thumbs up. He gave me one right back. The guy a few miles away from my folks with the Ford Thunderbolt? I've been telling him "nice car" for 25 years. We gotta stick together, us car guys.

Yeah, for sure, we got stuck with some junk-wagons growing up. Too late for the 60's and too early for new Millenia. That time has passed though. '69 Mach 1, Boss 302, '69 Camaro (best year, IMO), Dodge Dart Demon (under-rated IMO). '67 Pontiac GTO. Sigh. All Awesome cars, but scary as hell to drive. Especially above 100MPH with little to no downforce.

These days the modern pony cars still feel planted at 150mph. No slack in the steering, no tracking. No "Float" over the bumps and potholes. Whatever you think about 60's era pony/muscle cars, They deserve respect, without them, we wouldn't have the cars we do today.

[Criticalmass]

Originally Posted by chuckstacamaro

Who came up with this Fanboy Name, Anyway? If you are into Muscle cars or Hot Rods you are either a Gear Head or Car Guy/Enthusiast. NOT a Fanboy. Fanboy must be a name thought up by Import/Ricer Guys. Not for American Muscle Car people.

Fanboi's are loyal to one brand, they aren't car enthusiasts. They hate on everything that they don't own or wish to own.

[gajagfan]

Originally Posted by Criticalmass

Fanboi's are loyal to one brand, they aren't car enthusiasts. They hate on everything that they don't own or wish to own.

I don't agree completely with what you said. I am a car enthusiast, and love a discussion about any type of car, but simply choose to only own GM products if at all possible. You dont have to hate on others to be a fan of one.