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[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I was expecting 50 lbs lighter. The R being 3650 puts the GT350 close to 3800 lbs.

Performance stuff is heavy. The cooler gets bigger, that gets bigger, this gets stronger. It seems no matter how many 4" holes we cut out of a car we can't cut fast enough to offset weight gain as we upgrade performance.

[Number 3]

Sorry can't help it.

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Originally Posted by JusticePete

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

GT350R comes in at 3650 lbs.

It's a nice car. Can't wait to see actual road test.

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When do you guys think we're likely to see any details of Camaros that would fit properly into thiz Houze?

Like for example which one will be produced first?

I would guezz the ZL/1, since it is likely more profitable by virtue of numberz.


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[Bhobbs]

I don't think we will see a 6th gen car like the 5th gen Z/28. I bet GM takes the easy road and gives us an LT4 Z**. Not sure if they will call it ZL1 or Z28.

[Number 3]

Yep, I agree that unless there is an undisclosed powertrain choice (LT5?) we will see 2 versions of the LT4 powered car.

One would be an ZL1 replacement with MR shocks, all options and be an awesome street car.

The other would be a bare bones, CC braked, mass reduced, track tuned chassis, MONSTER.

It's hard to imagine that if GM has the LT4 in the Z06 ANNNND the CTS-V that somehow GM has a very low volume NA Z/28 engine in the wings.

So if the 2SS comes in at say 3,750 pounds I would put the ZL1 at 3,900 pounds or so. Similar in weight to the Alpha based CTS-V. That leaves the potential to get a Z/28 track focused version back down to may 3,800 pounds or maybe 3,750. That will pound the crap out of the 350R by having over 100 HP advantage and the benefit of GM chassis tuning which seems to consistently be better than Ford's.

But I'm still holding out for a NA LT5 that is 500 PLUS HP and maybe down around 3,500 pounds and then simply crushing everything in it's wake including the BMW M4. Buhhhhh bye!

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Yep, I agree that unless there is an undisclosed powertrain choice (LT5?) we will see 2 versions of the LT4 powered car.

One would be an ZL1 replacement with MR shocks, all options and be an awesome street car.

The other would be a bare bones, CC braked, mass reduced, track tuned chassis, MONSTER.

It's hard to imagine that if GM has the LT4 in the Z06 ANNNND the CTS-V that somehow GM has a very low volume NA Z/28 engine in the wings.

So if the 2SS comes in at say 3,750 pounds I would put the ZL1 at 3,900 pounds or so. Similar in weight to the Alpha based CTS-V. That leaves the potential to get a Z/28 track focused version back down to may 3,800 pounds or maybe 3,750. That will pound the crap out of the 350R by having over 100 HP advantage and the benefit of GM chassis tuning which seems to consistently be better than Ford's.

But I'm still holding out for a NA LT5 that is 500 PLUS HP and maybe down around 3,500 pounds and then simply crushing everything in it's wake including the BMW M4. Buhhhhh bye!

Do you really thing two distinct models with the same engine is going to happen? I know there are cars like the GT350 and R but I don't see GM doing a ZL1 and Z28 with the LT4. I would rather see the Z/28 not return than see it go the way of the Z06.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Do you really thing two distinct models with the same engine is going to happen? I know there are cars like the GT350 and R but I don't see GM doing a ZL1 and Z28 with the LT4. I would rather see the Z/28 not return than see it go the way of the Z06.

Well I said I HOPED for a unique engine. That LT5 could go in a C7 Grand Sport But I don't think there would be an issue with 2 distinct cars having the same engine, in fact if I had to bet that's what I would bet on.

GM has already gone to the dark side and put a SCer on a purist track car. So thinking the Z/28 is even more heralded in history so as to not get that engine would not be prudent.

What I hope for and what I think will happen are two different things.

But keep in mind a low volume LT5 would be expensive and I really don't want another $75,000 Z/28.

So going to the mid years, what was a Z/28? It was a chassis/brake package at best. I don't think we ever go an engine unique to the Z/28 other than the Gen 1. But the historians can correct me on that.

[Bhobbs]

I don't see why a low volume engine would necessitate a $75k Z/28. The 5.2 Voodoo is a very exotic, low volume engine and yet the GT350 starts in the mid $40s. It even has some serious modifications done to the car. If Ford can do it, I would hope GM can as well.

The only time the Camaro got a unique engine was the 67-69 Z/28. The other years were just basic packages. It seems they made a real effort to get back to the Z/28 meaning something again. It would be disappointing to have it go back. I am planning to get a 6th gen if they build something like the 1LE again or if I could afford a Z/28. I hope they build something I want.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I don't see why a low volume engine would necessitate a $75k Z/28. The 5.2 Voodoo is a very exotic, low volume engine and yet the GT350 starts in the mid $40s. It even has some serious modifications done to the car. If Ford can do it, I would hope GM can as well.

The only time the Camaro got a unique engine was the 67-69 Z/28. The other years were just basic packages. It seems they made a real effort to get back to the Z/28 meaning something again. It would be disappointing to have it go back. I am planning to get a 6th gen if they build something like the 1LE again or if I could afford a Z/28. I hope they build something I want.

You are right, low volume engine doesn't have to cost a crap ton. But GM chose to take the dry sump engines and build them on a small, semi automated assembly line in a unique facility. If you can put it on the same line as the other V8s, it could be much lower cost and essentially just be the premium for the better/different parts.

I only know one thing and that is GM is going to do something in this area. We just don't know what it is yet. If we only go by what we know, the engine will be the LT4 because that is what is in the top shelf world beaters GM has already shown us. It is also very easy for GM to hide engine development. Partly because it can be hidden in dyno cells and under the hoods of non descript cars you wouldn't even notice. The purchased parts are much more limited and leaks from the supply base are less likely.

So can I imagine 2 cars with the LT4, one track focused, the other street focused? Yes, I can. And if I were in charge and didn't have the capital for a unique NA engine, that's just what I'd do. And I would do so knowing I would crush the GT350R with ease and only worry about the GT500 making Hell Cat HP.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Number 3

You are right, low volume engine doesn't have to cost a crap ton. But GM chose to take the dry sump engines and build them on a small, semi automated assembly line in a unique facility. If you can put it on the same line as the other V8s, it could be much lower cost and essentially just be the premium for the better/different parts.

I only know one thing and that is GM is going to do something in this area. We just don't know what it is yet. If we only go by what we know, the engine will be the LT4 because that is what is in the top shelf world beaters GM has already shown us. It is also very easy for GM to hide engine development. Partly because it can be hidden in dyno cells and under the hoods of non descript cars you wouldn't even notice. The purchased parts are much more limited and leaks from the supply base are less likely.

So can I imagine 2 cars with the LT4, one track focused, the other street focused? Yes, I can. And if I were in charge and didn't have the capital for a unique NA engine, that's just what I'd do. And I would do so knowing I would crush the GT350R with ease and only worry about the GT500 making Hell Cat HP.

The 5.2 is hand built, just like the LS7, except for the titanium parts and the dry sump.

If GM does go with the LT4 for a Z28, I hope they get the cooling right.

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The 5.2 is hand built, just like the LS7, except for the titanium parts and the dry sump.

If GM does go with the LT4 for a Z28, I hope they get the cooling right.

I'm not a fan of the LT4's 1.7L blower but this gives hope. Recall all CTS V are A8 autos

In a fast car, there are six places on Road America's 4-mile track where your speeds can exceed 100 mph—and twice they can reach more than 150 mph. Without any modifications or special procedures, the 2016 Cadillac CTS-V hammered the track at these triple-digit speeds, three or four hot laps at a time, until the tank was empty. Gas card at the ready, Team Cadillac refilled it, and we drained it again in about 20 laps.
http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/se..._drive_review/