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Camarotobeornottobe · 08-09-2015, 03:39 PM

So, I see that some folks have dismounted/mounted their F1s in order to rotate them with the staggered rims. I haven't decided yet if I'm willing to risk the rim scratches to do it. But . . .

In the meantime, I also have installed white lettering on my tires, can I can't decide if I like them. If I rotate via mount/dismount, I might want to turn the white letters to the inside and hide them. Basically, I would "cross" the tires, e.g. the back/left would go to the front/right and so on.

So that I don't have to take the wheel off and look myself, for those who have their rims and/or wheels off a bunch, do these tires look the same on the inside with the same markings? So, they would be identical if I crossed them and turned them around?

mySSt · 08-09-2015, 04:03 PM

Since stock F1s are directional and asymmetrical, the tread blocks on inboard side of tire don't 'belong' on the outboard side. And vice versa. You will get a different performance. Also, don't try to reverse the direction the tire rolls or you risk the tire coming apart from the inside out (see Formula 1 issues from early in the year during last season).

In other words, you are stuck with what you've got with staggered wheels. What I'm gonna do is get two more 10" rims and keep the same sized tires on all four corners. That way, at least I can rotate front and rear on the same side of the car.

Camarotobeornottobe · 08-09-2015, 04:37 PM

So, even though I would be crossing them (front/left to back/right, front/right to back/left, etc) and keeping them pointed in the right direction, you're saying there is a set "inside" and "outside" with these tires too that would preclude me doing that?

EDIT: MySST, I see your point, since the tread is not symmetrical, there would be a designated inside and outside. Well, I guess I like the white lettering after all

I just need now to decide if I want to dismount/mount in order solely to rotate front to back and back to front for wear purposes.

White_SS/RS · 08-09-2015, 04:46 PM

You could switch sides with them. The directional pattern will be wrong but Goodyear says it won't effect the integrity of the tire but it will reduce its wet performance.

PapaKlutch · 08-09-2015, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Camarotobeornottobe

So, even though I would be crossing them (front/left to back/right, front/right to back/left, etc) and keeping them pointed in the right direction, you're saying there is a set "inside" and "outside" with these tires too that would preclude me doing that?

EDIT: MySST, I see your point, since the tread is not symmetrical, there would be a designated inside and outside. Well, I guess I like the white lettering after all

I just need now to decide if I want to dismount/mount in order solely to rotate front to back and back to front for wear purposes.

You got it! Our tires are meant for one side only and one rotation direction only. So, all you can do to "rotate tires" is swap the tires front to rear only; Left Side and Right side while simply keeping the wheels (since they are different width/offset) at their original corners.

Camarotobeornottobe · 08-09-2015, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by White_SS/RS

You could switch sides with them. The directional pattern will be wrong but Goodyear says it won't effect the integrity of the tire but it will reduce its wet performance.

So, when you say Goodyear says it won't affect integrity . . . are you thinking switch back-with-back and front-with-front, leaving them on the rims they are on now and just having the tires turning in the "wrong" direction? Or like I originally mentioned, crossing them through dismount/mount so that they remain pointed in the right direction but have the insides on the outside and vice versa?

BigBlock69RS · 08-09-2015, 06:16 PM

In the two sets I have had of the eagle f1s, I had them uncounted and remounted front to back (same side) and got a lot more tire life out them. Discount tire did the the rebalance for around $70 each time. Money well spent.

CrystalRedTintcoat · 08-10-2015, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobcat

Yeah you can unmount them and rotate front to back, but you will have to have them rebalanced as well and the removal of the balancing weights is a bigger concern for me. These knuckleheads at the tire shop are bound to just go at them with a screwdriver to pry off the old weights - damn the consequences.

Yep. And they don't cleanup the old goo. There's a performance tire shop out here (OnEdge / BigO) that'll do a proper job and put on race weights but they are super busy and far away.

-CRT

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Camarotobeornottobe · 08-10-2015, 12:29 PM

If I went through with the rotation, I would remove the wheels myself, remove the weights myself, and haul them to the tire shop via another vehicle . . . thus minimizing the risk of scratches as much as I can.

gajagfan · 08-10-2015, 01:55 PM

I know you have this done, but for another thought, here is what we did. We saved the fronts from the first tire purchase as they still had a decent amount of tread in the center (rolled a good bit on the corners). When the second set of rears went, I re-mounted the saved fronts. The rears went at about 15K both times, but I now think I can get an additional 5 - 7.5K out of the tires I have on the car (2nd set fronts on front, 1st set fronts on rear). This minimized the number of times the tires had to come on and off the wheels.

Dropspeed · 08-10-2015, 04:50 PM

Please post a picture of the car with white lettering (if you haven't and I just don't see it on my phone).

Thanks

White_SS/RS · 08-10-2015, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Camarotobeornottobe

So, when you say Goodyear says it won't affect integrity . . . are you thinking switch back-with-back and front-with-front, leaving them on the rims they are on now and just having the tires turning in the "wrong" direction? Or like I originally mentioned, crossing them through dismount/mount so that they remain pointed in the right direction but have the insides on the outside and vice versa?

Yes leaving them as they are but switching the lefts to the right and vice versa.

Camarotobeornottobe · 08-11-2015, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dropspeed

Please post a picture of the car with white lettering (if you haven't and I just don't see it on my phone).

Thanks

Okay, will snap a couple.

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Originally Posted by White_SS/RS

Yes leaving them as they are but switching the lefts to the right and vice versa.

Gotcha, so the inside and outside would be right, but the directional rotation wrong. I will have to think about that one.

Punk_rider · 08-11-2015, 05:03 PM

May i ask how you did the white lettering? I did on mine, love it, but looks like craps like 5 miles later ... paint is cracking and fading really fast

08-09-2015, 03:39 PM	#1
Camarotobeornottobe Drives: 1LE Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: East Coast Man Posts: 550	Strange 1LE Tire Question So, I see that some folks have dismounted/mounted their F1s in order to rotate them with the staggered rims. I haven't decided yet if I'm willing to risk the rim scratches to do it. But . . . In the meantime, I also have installed white lettering on my tires, can I can't decide if I like them. If I rotate via mount/dismount, I might want to turn the white letters to the inside and hide them. Basically, I would "cross" the tires, e.g. the back/left would go to the front/right and so on. So that I don't have to take the wheel off and look myself, for those who have their rims and/or wheels off a bunch, do these tires look the same on the inside with the same markings? So, they would be identical if I crossed them and turned them around?

08-09-2015, 04:03 PM	#2
mySSt Drives: '11 SS M6, '14 SS 1LE, '17 SS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: East TX Posts: 533	Since stock F1s are directional and asymmetrical, the tread blocks on inboard side of tire don't 'belong' on the outboard side. And vice versa. You will get a different performance. Also, don't try to reverse the direction the tire rolls or you risk the tire coming apart from the inside out (see Formula 1 issues from early in the year during last season). In other words, you are stuck with what you've got with staggered wheels. What I'm gonna do is get two more 10" rims and keep the same sized tires on all four corners. That way, at least I can rotate front and rear on the same side of the car. __________________ Anyone can drive fast in a straight line, its what you can do thru the curves that matters! '11 CGM SS M6 ordered in 3/11, '14 BRM SS 1LE from stock in 10/13 & '17 HBM SS 1LE in 11/16 - all from BeckyD!!

08-09-2015, 04:46 PM	#4
White_SS/RS Drives: 14 1LE Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 1,567	You could switch sides with them. The directional pattern will be wrong but Goodyear says it won't effect the integrity of the tire but it will reduce its wet performance. __________________ LMS Engineering

08-09-2015, 06:16 PM	#7
BigBlock69RS Ed Drives: 2013 AGM Camaro 2SS/RS/1LE Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 951	In the two sets I have had of the eagle f1s, I had them uncounted and remounted front to back (same side) and got a lot more tire life out them. Discount tire did the the rebalance for around $70 each time. Money well spent. __________________

08-10-2015, 01:55 PM	#10
gajagfan Drives: 2013 1SS 1LE Black - Std Exhaust Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Brunswick, GA Posts: 3,622 View My Garage	I know you have this done, but for another thought, here is what we did. We saved the fronts from the first tire purchase as they still had a decent amount of tread in the center (rolled a good bit on the corners). When the second set of rears went, I re-mounted the saved fronts. The rears went at about 15K both times, but I now think I can get an additional 5 - 7.5K out of the tires I have on the car (2nd set fronts on front, 1st set fronts on rear). This minimized the number of times the tires had to come on and off the wheels. Last edited by gajagfan; 08-10-2015 at 05:32 PM.

08-09-2015, 04:37 PM	#3
Camarotobeornottobe Drives: 1LE Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: East Coast Man Posts: 550	So, even though I would be crossing them (front/left to back/right, front/right to back/left, etc) and keeping them pointed in the right direction, you're saying there is a set "inside" and "outside" with these tires too that would preclude me doing that? EDIT: MySST, I see your point, since the tread is not symmetrical, there would be a designated inside and outside. Well, I guess I like the white lettering after all I just need now to decide if I want to dismount/mount in order solely to rotate front to back and back to front for wear purposes.

08-10-2015, 12:29 PM	#9
Camarotobeornottobe Drives: 1LE Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: East Coast Man Posts: 550	If I went through with the rotation, I would remove the wheels myself, remove the weights myself, and haul them to the tire shop via another vehicle . . . thus minimizing the risk of scratches as much as I can.

08-10-2015, 04:50 PM	#11
Dropspeed 2013 Camaro SS1LECTSVZ28 Drives: 2013 AGM 1SS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Suburbs of Detroit, MI Posts: 2,440	Please post a picture of the car with white lettering (if you haven't and I just don't see it on my phone). Thanks __________________ My 1LE Build/Journal : http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=351990

08-11-2015, 05:03 PM	#14
Punk_rider Drives: VW Typ 166 + Black 1LE Join Date: May 2007 Location: Paris, France Posts: 763	May i ask how you did the white lettering? I did on mine, love it, but looks like craps like 5 miles later ... paint is cracking and fading really fast __________________ I'm kindly asking: "May I have a supercharged Z28 with 550 hp please? By the end of 2009 would be awesome. Thanks"