Thinking about leaving the Fords and getting an SS

[JDP Sales]

There is alot of personal preference involved in decisions like this but the facts are the facts:

The LS platform is superior, PERIOD! It also takes to mods like you wouldn't believe and done correctly, modded LS cars are still super streetable and super reliable as well. The handling (especially if you go 1LE, ZL1 or Z28) is night and day better and even if you just go SS, you can make it monster on the track with some carefully selected modifications (I may know a guy who is for that ). The forum for info (Camaro5 ) is amazing! I could go on and on......

Buy what speaks to you, my man! If you go Camaro, We'd love to help you in any way that you see fit! Good luck!!

All the best,

Jared Royce
JDP Motorsports
888.308.6007

[c5Legend]

I went for looks too..The 5th gen is unlike any other car on the road, cant really say the same for any Mustangs as they look pretty generic(excluding newer models after the 5th gen came out).

[Welker2]

The best thing to do is test drive & research both, then go with the one you like best & best fits your needs. Although I've owned nothing but Chevy's, when I was looking at for a new vehicle in '13, I was torn between the Camaro & Challenger, the test drive and overall looks were the final deciding factors.

[JDP Sales]

Originally Posted by V8forlife

Wow lots of replies. Not going to reply one-by-one, but yeah I will def be giving each car a good long drive. I haven't owned four Mustangs because I hate Chevy or something. (The dark side comment was a joke) It's because I preferred the looks of the pre-2005 Mustangs to the older gen Camaros and I couldn't afford anything newer until recently.

I'm more into straight line performance than corner carving, but that might just be because taking one at more than 25 in a Mustang gets scary. Getting the performance to match my 450 rwhp Mach 1 in a gen 5 Camaro sounds like it's simple as heads/cam/intake and a dyno tune. Is that right? What's the typical cost of getting a shop to install that, including parts and dyno tune? $2500-3000?

I made 475 RWHP in my 14 1LE with an aggressive cam, bolt ons and the tune. There are a lot of different options as i'm sure you are aware. HERE are just a few.

Feel free to call, PM or email me anytime with questions.


All the best,


Jared Royce
JDP Motorsports
888.308.6007

[GMfan454]

They say brand loyalty is for suckers, but I go with what has worked for me. I am a Chevy guy because of the reliability I have always had from them. But the next man will have Fords that have done the same for him and a Chevy that gave him problems.

With these two cars, Chevy round the latest round with the 16 models. But Ford won the round before that. I think as pony/muscle car fans, we all win right now because of the companies competing. If you are not a loyalist (didn't read your whole post sorry), get the Mustang or you will never be truly happy.

[Warpaint69]

Originally Posted by GMfan454

They say brand loyalty is for suckers, but I go with what has worked for me. I am a Chevy guy because of the reliability I have always had from them. But the next man will have Fords that have done the same for him and a Chevy that gave him problems.

With these two cars, Chevy round the latest round with the 16 models. But Ford won the round before that. I think as pony/muscle car fans, we all win right now because of the companies competing. If you are not a loyalist (didn't read your whole post sorry), get the Mustang or you will never be truly happy.

My dad has owned and operated a engine machine shop for close to 40 years. He's always been a GM guy and has always preferred GM engines with his line of work. My grandfather was a GM guy before him. Every company can turn out its share of bad vehicles that sours a person away from that brand. I'm sure Ford and Dodge make great vehicles, but I was born and raised GM.

Even being a hardcore GM guy I love the vintage Hemi engines and like the Mopar Road Runners, Coronets, Challengers, Chargers, and Cuda's. I've never really cared for Fords other than the 30's coupes for street rod purposes.

I'm very involved in dirt track racing most everybody runs small block chevy's because of cost to build and the weight of the engine. I've seen guy run Fords and Mopar engines and win races, but dirt track racing is very dominated by GM with its 602 and 604 crate engines. When the track goes slick they're pretty hard to beat.

Buy whatever makes you happy.

[ChocoTaco369]

Originally Posted by V8forlife

Hi all, so I'm thinking about going for a 2013-ish Camaro SS or Mustang GT. The only cars I've ever owned were Mustangs, and I'm on my fourth now. It's a 2003 Mach 1 (it's a 32 valve DOHC, not 16 valve SOHC like the GT) with a Procharger making 448 rwhp. Only 27k miles. I don't have to sell it or anything, it's running great but lately I've had thoughts about just getting something newer.

I LOVE my Mach 1, it's a beast but it's really at about it's safe limit without digging into the motor and it's just not worth it on a 12 year old car. Both the new 'stang and Camaro motors have so much more potential than the old 4.6. Even as it stands, pushing this much power through it makes me nervous every time I get on it. I've got an awesome tune, and it's probably going to last a long time but it's still hard not to worry about a rod ventilating my block.

So I guess the reason I'm here is to see if I can be swayed over to the DARK SIDE instead of getting another Mustang. Obviously you guys prefer Chevy. What is it about the 5th gen Camaro that makes you guys take it over the Mustang 5.0? As far as looks go, they're about a wash for me. I like 'em both.

My girlfriend has a 2013 Mustang V6 Premium w/PP. I have a 2013 Camaro 2SS.

They are very different cars. Mustangs are much more affordable than Camaros are in seemingly every generation. The Mustang is more "entry level," if you will. The materials are cheaper, the cars are smaller, the suspension is less advanced. They're also a lot cheaper to get options than Camaros. You can pick up a Mustang V6 Premium with the pony package with leather interior, LED accents, premium wheels and Microsoft Sync for less than a cloth interior Camaro 1LS. That's why we went Mustang for her - Camaro's were just too expensive for what you got. If you don't have the money, you'll probably be happier in a Mustang because you get more bang for your buck. My girlfriend got a 2013 Mustang V6 Premium w/PP with every conceivable option - Sync, BT, heated seats, leather, LED cupholders, sideview mirror projectors and more for $16,900 with 13,000 miles on the OD. You can't get a base 1LS Camaro on steelies without a single option for that. There is much more value in a Mustang than in a Camaro. It was a no brainer for her - she got a vastly superior car for the money, and I'd go Mustang ALL THE WAY in that scenario.

The same thing goes for the GT's. You can get a better equipped GT for less money than a Camaro. If all you're doing is driving back and forth to work and you want a nice car with some power and lots of creature comforts, the Mustang does it for less money than the Camaro. For the cost of a stripped down Camaro SS with no options, you can get a nicely outfitted Mustang with leather interior and lots of bells and whistles.

When it comes to fully optioned cars, the Camaro has a much better build quality than the Mustang. The 2SS Camaro has much more high quality materials than the comparatively outfitted GT Mustang. The leather seats are much nicer leather, the dash quality is better, the infotainment system is better, the ride quality is better, it handles better - an old 5th Gen 1LE already outperforms the newer 6th Gen Mustang and the 6th Gen Camaro will just flat out embarrass the Mustang - Ford has a lot to learn about IRS and GM is way ahead of the curve in terms of raw performance. As for future modability, the Camaro has a far greater ceiling. It is so easy to modify an LS3 or LT1 pushrod motor compared to a Coyote. No one tears into Coyote's because they're just too expensive. The Coyote weighs more, is physically larger, is more expensive to mod, makes less or equal power and much less torque - both the LS3 and LT1 motors are much better motors.

As for drivetrains, the GT has the terrible Getrag transmission. The TR6060 offered in the SS, while not the best "behaved" tranny in terms of smoothness, is far stronger, more reliable and has stood the test of time. The drivetrain of the Camaro is just better in every way.

It all comes down to what you want. Dollar for dollar, you can get a better Mustang than a better Camaro if your goal is to keep it stock and daily drive it. If your goal is fully modding the car and interior quality, you'd better fit into a Camaro. It's your call.

[LynxSSavage]

Originally Posted by TIREKLR

Haha

Soooo... If you are a man wanting to be with men, get a mustang and if you want multiple women to disappoint in bed because disappointing just one woman in bed is not enough... buy a camaro? Is that what this meme is saying?

[CamaroCracka]

Originally Posted by V8forlife

Are you saying I'm bashing the platform or were you talking to somebody else, because I don't see where I did that...

No, this is not the first thread like this. The next phase would be for you to buy a GenV and then complain the radio buttons are not pink like your Mustang. Not saying you would do that, but some do.

[RobMan]

I had a 2016 Mustang GT PP on order since June and would have been my 7th Mustang. The car was finally set to arrive in late October. The 1LE has always been on my radar but I had never driven one as I was a "ford" guy. Well browsing the internet one day I come across a 15 2SS RS 1LE and I thought oh what the heck I should go drive it and just see how it is, honestly thinking in my head it won't hold a candle to the 16GT I have on order. Well long story short... at first start up of the 1LE with the NPP Exhaust I was sold. The Camaro just feels more like a sprts car to me with the raked windshield and small windows. Just feels like you are looking out of a rocket ship. After driving the 1LE I thought I was just too impatient about waiting for my Mustang and needed to fulfill the itch right then and then. I left the Chevy Dealer and proceeded across the street to the Ford Dealer and drove a 16GT PP back to back with the Camaro. For me personally there wasn't even a comparison. The Mustang is a great car, don't get me wrong, but the best way I can describe it is refined. The Camaro is raw and connected where as the mustang is more civil and quiet. If I were to daily drive the car I probably would have stuck with the mustang but since the purchase was for a weekend toy car I had to go with the Camaro. I love it! I haven't even looked at a mustang since and while I still respect and love the mustang the Camaro was a clear cut winner for me. Good luck in your decision as I know how easy it is to always second guess a decision but just go with what puts the bigger smile on your face. I know I did.

[DRKS1D3]

Diehard GM guy here. My advice, drive both and see which you enjoy more. I test drove a 2012 Boss about a year ago just for the Hell of it. It was nice, the motor had good snap to it, it handled great and the side exit exhaust sounded great. If it were up to me, I'd have one of each. My SS, a Boss and a Challenger ScatPack. Two problems: My wife needs convincing and I need to build a detached garage. My oversized two car garage is already filled with her Jeep, my SS and my other toys.

[V8forlife]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

My girlfriend has a 2013 Mustang V6 Premium w/PP. I have a 2013 Camaro 2SS.

They are very different cars. Mustangs are much more affordable than Camaros are in seemingly every generation. The Mustang is more "entry level," if you will. The materials are cheaper, the cars are smaller, the suspension is less advanced. They're also a lot cheaper to get options than Camaros. You can pick up a Mustang V6 Premium with the pony package with leather interior, LED accents, premium wheels and Microsoft Sync for less than a cloth interior Camaro 1LS. That's why we went Mustang for her - Camaro's were just too expensive for what you got. If you don't have the money, you'll probably be happier in a Mustang because you get more bang for your buck. My girlfriend got a 2013 Mustang V6 Premium w/PP with every conceivable option - Sync, BT, heated seats, leather, LED cupholders, sideview mirror projectors and more for $16,900 with 13,000 miles on the OD. You can't get a base 1LS Camaro on steelies without a single option for that. There is much more value in a Mustang than in a Camaro. It was a no brainer for her - she got a vastly superior car for the money, and I'd go Mustang ALL THE WAY in that scenario.

The same thing goes for the GT's. You can get a better equipped GT for less money than a Camaro. If all you're doing is driving back and forth to work and you want a nice car with some power and lots of creature comforts, the Mustang does it for less money than the Camaro. For the cost of a stripped down Camaro SS with no options, you can get a nicely outfitted Mustang with leather interior and lots of bells and whistles.

When it comes to fully optioned cars, the Camaro has a much better build quality than the Mustang. The 2SS Camaro has much more high quality materials than the comparatively outfitted GT Mustang. The leather seats are much nicer leather, the dash quality is better, the infotainment system is better, the ride quality is better, it handles better - an old 5th Gen 1LE already outperforms the newer 6th Gen Mustang and the 6th Gen Camaro will just flat out embarrass the Mustang - Ford has a lot to learn about IRS and GM is way ahead of the curve in terms of raw performance. As for future modability, the Camaro has a far greater ceiling. It is so easy to modify an LS3 or LT1 pushrod motor compared to a Coyote. No one tears into Coyote's because they're just too expensive. The Coyote weighs more, is physically larger, is more expensive to mod, makes less or equal power and much less torque - both the LS3 and LT1 motors are much better motors.

As for drivetrains, the GT has the terrible Getrag transmission. The TR6060 offered in the SS, while not the best "behaved" tranny in terms of smoothness, is far stronger, more reliable and has stood the test of time. The drivetrain of the Camaro is just better in every way.

It all comes down to what you want. Dollar for dollar, you can get a better Mustang than a better Camaro if your goal is to keep it stock and daily drive it. If your goal is fully modding the car and interior quality, you'd better fit into a Camaro. It's your call.

Yeah, the price difference on new ones is significant. I've noticed though, at least around my area, that used ones 2-3 years old are about the same price for comparable models... sometimes even cheaper for the Camaros. I saw a 2013 SS with about 24k miles going for $22k.

I haven't been inside a 5th gen Camaro yet, but I was actually fairly impressed with the interior of a 2013 GT/CS Premium. Light years beyond my 2003 anyway. It was comfortable and the seat gripped me pretty well. I'll have to do a comparison with the Chevy.

I have heard some horrible shit about the Getrag trans though, that's one of the things that makes me a little nervous. May not hold up long. Probably will be in sorry shape once it hits 100k miles. Are you saying the old LT1 from the mid 90's is better than the new 5.0 though?

The main thing I like about the Mustang right now is that you can flirt with 450 rwhp with only bolt-ons and a tune. Past that though, yeah I can see it being more expensive than modding a Camaro. Most people with 5.0s seem to just go with forced induction if they want more than that, and FI is why my Mach 1 makes me a little nervous right now. So much that can go wrong and just destroy an engine with a blower/turbo.

Decisions are hard, dammit!!

[V8forlife]

Originally Posted by CamaroCracka

No, this is not the first thread like this. The next phase would be for you to buy a GenV and then complain the radio buttons are not pink like your Mustang. Not saying you would do that, but some do.

lol, gotcha. Yeah, I'm not here to troll.

[V8forlife]

Originally Posted by LynxSSavage

Soooo... If you are a man wanting to be with men, get a mustang and if you want multiple women to disappoint in bed because disappointing just one woman in bed is not enough... buy a camaro? Is that what this meme is saying?

I'm not gonna lie, I get a disproportionate amount of dudes checking out my Mach 1 compared to women...