explain this verbiage?

[swagner]

A little too serious for me. But I didn't really dig it up anywhere. It was already dug up in plain site. Yes I know I only have a v 6 and am not going to lie I wish I wouldve just bought the ss. But I still love it

[Camaro Dude]

Originally Posted by swagner

Going to order an air intake tonight. The CAI website says this.. "This results in inflated hp numbers that are to the crank, and do not represent real world performance gains" I'm pretty sure I want real world performance....

I can't find this, can you post up the link to it?

I like to read the entire thing, and not just one line, and understand the context of it you know , just to be safe.

What you wrote though per your quote, did remind me of what some dudes on the Fast List on here say, and it is exactly what they say.

That said, OTR style intakes are a favourite amongst some of the Fast List dudes, then there is the Jannetty dyno thread part 1 and 2.

Ultimately it boils down to the Fast List vs Dyno vs User End Testimonials vs Your Own Personal Tastes on Aethestics vs Price Point, in no particular order.

[Jasper]

When I had a Grand Prix GTP (supercharged), it was essential to get cold air in to keep the KR (Knock Retard) low since it was more prone to pre-detonation. We could see the immediate effect of installing a fender well intake (cone in the fender) because when scanning for KR before and after, it was greatly improved. For non-boosted cars, I'm not sure if pre-detonation is as big of an issue robbing power or not. I went with the Vararam because it appeared to me that the air would go right in the front behind the grill and had a short, direct shot into the throttle body rather than a bunch of bent tubing getting heat soaked like all other brands out there.

[pyroguy]

Whatever you do, don't pick this cold air intake...

[swagner]

Umm yeah I'm an idiot. You're right nm. I copied the page and just missed part.....

[BlkCamaroVert]

Originally Posted by swagner

Going to order an air intake tonight. The CAI website says this.. "This results in inflated hp numbers that are to the crank, and do not represent real world performance gains" I'm pretty sure I want real world performance. If you had a stock 2LT what kind of intake would you buy?

It means they're being honest. Sounds like you want to be lied to like most who take a "mod" like this seriously.

[yzark99]

My question is this; I put a CAI on my '13 2LT and expected to get a lot of gains, as reported by many people on this forum. However, I have not experienced any of them; no increase in apparent power, no increase in mpg, and no change in sound from the engine. So far it seems to be a waste of money for me, like I should have obtained an aftermarket air filter for a fraction of the cost of the CAI.

Add the air scoop and the CAI will start making power that you can feel. Without one it IS a waste of money.

[Rawdogz]

I assume the cold air kits come more into play as you add more mods, such as headers, exhaust. The better the car breathes in and out the better it performs.

[ghosted]

Originally Posted by yzark99

My question is this; I put a CAI on my '13 2LT and expected to get a lot of gains, as reported by many people on this forum. However, I have not experienced any of them; no increase in apparent power, no increase in mpg, and no change in sound from the engine. So far it seems to be a waste of money for me, like I should have obtained an aftermarket air filter for a fraction of the cost of the CAI.

Add the air scoop and the CAI will start making power that you can feel. Without one it IS a waste of money.

That last part simply isn't true. Properly isolate the filter from the engine bay and ensure that you're getting your air for a good clean, cold(er) source, and you're going to notice improvements. The scoop is going to assist part of that by enduring that your air is coming from the freshest location, but the scoop doesn't perform like a RAM AIR scoop, so it's only assisting.

However, even without the scoop, if you're isolated properly, you're going to be drawing in more air (bigger, less-restrictive filter), faster air (no baffles, and wider tubing) and air from behind/around the headlight (fresh, colder air).

[MrChrisLS3]

Originally Posted by pyroguy

Top two preferences on the forums always seem to be CAI and Roto-fab. The guys that have CAI think they're the best and the guys with Roto-fab (like me) think they're the best. You can't go wrong with either of them. Just depends on if you prefer an open or closed box design.

As for the question of why don't the stock intakes come like the aftermarket, look at the Z/28 vs. any of the other Camaros. The Z/28 is all performance based and every other Camaro is to appeal to the masses. Stock intakes are to get the car to appeal to the masses with baffles to muffle engine noise and perform well enough to get the job done. The Z/28 intake is all about air flow, the heck with engine noise.

Very true. The other half of the stock intake box has to do with MPG and emissions. By restricting the amount of air, it keeps the A/F ratio at proper levels using less fuel to achieve them, more air means more fuel. It also keeps the air flow low enough fro the converters to clean more of the exhaust gasses, lower cylinder pressures means lower exhaust velocity at exhaust valve opening.

That said, claims of improved fuel economy are not really going to happen because the ECU is just going to add more fuel to compensate for the added air flow. As far as someone not feeling gains from it, I think more that it's not meeting an expectation. An aftermarket air intake is not going to make a race car out of an otherwise stock engine.

[jcampos]

Originally Posted by paul84043

Guess we need to call GM and tell them that the stock CAI on the Z28 is useless.

LMAO, I called and told them... they laughed and said its too bad I will never afford a Z28 and to shut up because I am not an engineer, so how would I know if it works or not...

BTW, I have Cold Air Inductions CAI + Apex Race Scoop mod. Truthfully, it helps a little and that is all that matters.

CAI Inc. is better because>>> The box is sealed off and insulated. The tube is ceramic coated to prevent EXCESSIVE heat distribution with the incoming air. Plus the race scoop draws in more air outside the engine bay vs. that weak ass little hole from factory. My conclusion, it HELPS!

[BlkCamaroVert]

Originally Posted by jcampos

LMAO, I called and told them... they laughed and said its too bad I will never afford a Z28 and to shut up because I am not an engineer, so how would I know if it works or not...

BTW, I have Cold Air Inductions CAI + Apex Race Scoop mod. Truthfully, it helps a little and that is all that matters.

CAI Inc. is better because>>> The box is sealed off and insulated. The tube is ceramic coated to prevent EXCESSIVE heat distribution with the incoming air. Plus the race scoop draws in more air outside the engine bay vs. that weak ass little hole from factory. My conclusion, it HELPS!

It may seem like common sense that the better an engine breathes the better but that's not true. An engine runs best the way it was designed to run. It may help to have back pressure in the exhaust. As for intake there are O2 sensors and a computer involved. The Z28 is surely tuned for that intake and in reality is just another little feature to justify charging you up the arse for minimal horsepower gains.

[Camaro Dude]

I really don't understand some of you blokes.

It's almost as though 5 years on, the lifespan of long term memory is nigh on its expiry date, and everyone wishes to re-invent the wheel and the theories of where it all began in relation to the LS3, and properly executed cold air intakes.

I guess all the tests and and racing times and slips were all farce, and lies, and a Camaro5 conspiracy right, lol?

Let's take this from the top. Is there one dude at all, in the Fast List, running a stock OEM intake filter and assembly ???

The performance gains on a well executed cold air intake are indeed there for the LS3.

In solo format, you don't feel the 14rwhp, as much as you would of have liked on your butt dyno, because this car weighs close to 4000b's, lol.

Drop a stock LS3 in a smaller 2000b range car, like a E30 BMW, Miata, etc, then do a before and after comparison with a cold air intake only, using your butt dyno as reference, and report back.

[Chacquie]

Originally Posted by swagner

I hear this a lot. By no means do I have money to waste like some others so that makes me nervous. But even if I can just get better mpg it would be worth it.

They advertise better MPG but I've noticed a decrease after I installed mine. It just sounds good and I can't keep my foot off the throttle!