E85?

[Unreal]

Its fine for NA cars, just not as huge gains.

[SNSSTR]

I got about 17 hp/tq out of e85 on my car (which is N/A)...Considering people spend much more than $300 or so on other mods that provide less horsepower, I'd say its a decent investment. Plus there's not many people running around on e85 so its fun to tell people you are and getting those looks!

[krisprz2010camaross]

Originally Posted by SNSSTR

I got about 17 hp/tq out of e85 on my car (which is N/A)...Considering people spend much more than $300 or so on other mods that provide less horsepower, I'd say its a decent investment. Plus there's not many people running around on e85 so its fun to tell people you are and getting those looks!

That's still a pretty nice gain. I've heard they can gain 15-25 hp for N/As.

[2010SSRSM6]

Originally Posted by Mkn95u0

I guess i should have started off with my current mods list.

i'm supercharged, edelbrock e-force kit (52# injectors) w/ 3.5" pulley (6.9lbs of boost)
LTH, no cats, flowmasters
AEM CAI & tune.
auto trans
everything else is stock (fuel pump is an SS fuel pump currently)

Yes, this only nets me 486/467 - i'm aware the number is significantly lower than everyone elses ha.

I'm really only trying to get to 580rwhp. I'm having a hard time finding any tuner that will provide me any feedback (2010SSRSM6 - i tried reaching out to Ryne several times, he is hard pressed for responses, so gave up). the other day i came across a place pretty local, out in Anaheim and he suggested E85 & a blower cam (non VVT, and remove the DOD stuff).

Talking to him he said he can do the cam and the E85 sensor. He said that injectors and fuel pump i have now "should be sufficient" - this is what made me question it is because everything i have come across says the SS pump is probably already maxed out about where i'm at.

I'd like to do it right, so before i go buy anything, i'm really only looking for ~580rwhp, so what injectors, pump, etc... should i get to safely put out 580rwhp is i guess my question. I'm not looking for a 600hp+ build or anything monsterous. just want to run mid 11's in high DA time at the drag strip ha.


So, with this insight, will squash dual pump, fore tripple, LPE twin pump, or ZL1 pump be my best investment?

should i just go with ID1000's or will ID850's be sufficient for that level?

knowing my build as is, would you recommend a different route or would you recommend e85? i have about a $4,000 budget for parts, labor and tuning.

btw - MPG doesn't concern me at all. I have a Volt for that portion of my day ha.

CMS just moved into a much larger shop so they have been slammed trying to get everything back up and running. As you unfortunately found out, getting them on the phone is damn near impossible. Shoot Mike an e-mail at " Texas-CMS@hotmail.com " and he'll get back to you.

As for the guy that said the stock pump and 52# injectors would work with E-85....... R U N!!!!! Clearly he hasn't done much with either the factory pump or E-85. My ZL1 pump was maxed with a cam and my maggie just north of 600rwhp on 91. Skip that too if you are considering E-85.

Squash is expensive, but in my opinion, worth it. That's why I went that route. I installed the ZL1 pump and out grew that by swearing I'd never need more than 590rwhp.....Now I'm sitting over 700rwhp and looking to see what I can do next. If you can swing it, save the labor and multiple purchases and go bigger than you think you will want/need.

With $4k as a budget, you can get the fuel system, install, and E-85 converted and tuned fairly easily. Used ID or Bosch 1000's show up all the time (Mike may have a set or know someone trying to sell theirs where they moved up to 1300's or larger) if you want to save a few $$$. You might get by with 850's, but you'd have to talk to someone more in the know about where that would put your duty cycle than me.

580rw will put you way faster than mid 11's with an auto. I was low 11's with a M6 on street tires @ 590rw and asked to leave Fontana until I had my roll bar and it was over 100* that day.

Good luck with your build.

[Mkn95u0]

Originally Posted by 2010SSRSM6

CMS just moved into a much larger shop so they have been slammed trying to get everything back up and running. As you unfortunately found out, getting them on the phone is damn near impossible. Shoot Mike an e-mail at " Texas-CMS@hotmail.com " and he'll get back to you.

As for the guy that said the stock pump and 52# injectors would work with E-85....... R U N!!!!! Clearly he hasn't done much with either the factory pump or E-85. My ZL1 pump was maxed with a cam and my maggie just north of 600rwhp on 91. Skip that too if you are considering E-85.

Squash is expensive, but in my opinion, worth it. That's why I went that route. I installed the ZL1 pump and out grew that by swearing I'd never need more than 590rwhp.....Now I'm sitting over 700rwhp and looking to see what I can do next. If you can swing it, save the labor and multiple purchases and go bigger than you think you will want/need.

With $4k as a budget, you can get the fuel system, install, and E-85 converted and tuned fairly easily. Used ID or Bosch 1000's show up all the time (Mike may have a set or know someone trying to sell theirs where they moved up to 1300's or larger) if you want to save a few $$$. You might get by with 850's, but you'd have to talk to someone more in the know about where that would put your duty cycle than me.

580rw will put you way faster than mid 11's with an auto. I was low 11's with a M6 on street tires @ 590rw and asked to leave Fontana until I had my roll bar and it was over 100* that day.

Good luck with your build.

Thanks for the input, maybe i'll reach out again - I wonder if Mike was there a year ago-ish when i reached out last.

and yes, that's basically what i did was ran when he said stock pump should be fine ha.

580rwhp should be a lot faster than mid 11's, you are correct, just trying to be conservative. personally i want high 10's low 11's, but didn't want to be told '580 wont get you there' because those a really just numbers, i just want to be faster than 12's and faster than high 11's realistically, but slow enough to not need a cage and not powerful enough to spin the tires day in and day out.

[2010SSRSM6]

Originally Posted by Mkn95u0

Thanks for the input, maybe i'll reach out again - I wonder if Mike was there a year ago-ish when i reached out last.



and yes, that's basically what i did was ran when he said stock pump should be fine ha.



580rwhp should be a lot faster than mid 11's, you are correct, just trying to be conservative. personally i want high 10's low 11's, but didn't want to be told '580 wont get you there' because those a really just numbers, i just want to be faster than 12's and faster than high 11's realistically, but slow enough to not need a cage and not powerful enough to spin the tires day in and night out.

Lots of changes over the last year. Mike was there but he's working in multiple positions now and things are smoother where roles are more defined.

I'd love to have consistency. Hopefully with the new clutch it will be easier lol.




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[PwrAdikt]

I just want to make sure all newbie and people unfamiliar with e85 understand that most fuel stations "especially in areas new to flex fuel or limited on options" only carry e70-72ish. We test them regularly with meters and kits in our area. Most guys making big boy #'s already know this but im just letting you know that just cause there is a gas station by you that says e85 doesnt mean true 85 is there or readily available. And at 30% more consumption riding all around just to fill up may wind up a burden. I dont know why more dont just do meth kits sooo easy helps iat's and soo much more

[Mkn95u0]

Originally Posted by PwrAdikt

I just want to make sure all newbie and people unfamiliar with e85 understand that most fuel stations "especially in areas new to flex fuel or limited on options" only carry e70-72ish. We test them regularly with meters and kits in our area. Most guys making big boy #'s already know this but im just letting you know that just cause there is a gas station by you that says e85 doesnt mean true 85 is there or readily available. And at 30% more consumption riding all around just to fill up may wind up a burden. I dont know why more dont just do meth kits sooo easy helps iat's and soo much more

Thanks for sharing. Aware of the consistency yes, but i think the sensor detects a range.

As for not wanting to run a meth kit is becuase i often have children in the car and strollers & stuff in the trunk, it's something (me personally) I don't want to maintain, keep full, or have around children who love playing in the car...

[fif_gen_powa]

Originally Posted by Mkn95u0

Thanks for sharing. Aware of the consistency yes, but i think the sensor detects a range.

As for not wanting to run a meth kit is becuase i often have children in the car and strollers & stuff in the trunk, it's something (me personally) I don't want to maintain, keep full, or have around children who love playing in the car...

Yes the flex fuel sensor does detect a range (ethanol %) and adjusts accordingly. That's the best part you can run full e85, a mix of e85 and pump gasoline or just regular pump gas if e85 is not around. As long as the car was tuned properly it will adjust the tune. Without the flex fuel sensor on just a e85 tune you are married to run e85 only

[2010SSRSM6]

Originally Posted by Mkn95u0

Thanks for sharing. Aware of the consistency yes, but i think the sensor detects a range.



As for not wanting to run a meth kit is becuase i often have children in the car and strollers & stuff in the trunk, it's something (me personally) I don't want to maintain, keep full, or have around children who love playing in the car...

I'm using the windshield washer bottle as my meth tank. I threw a can of glass cleaner and good rags in the trunk in case I need to clean up the windshield so it isn't needed. It holds 2.5 gal of meth and lasts a while. You get multiple indications when you are running low so it's easy to know when to refill the system.

I've got s stereo system in the trunk and adding a roll bar so the big tank wouldn't work and I'm not spending $600 on the one that goes in the spare tire well.


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[pir4te]

I've run flex fuel up to e85 for 112k miles now, in a car came with ZL1 pump and FSCM for e38, sensor and stock GenIV injectors - 2011 Holden SS-V 6.0 - which is N/A.
Originally run with bolt-ons, I recently had it overhauled and swapped in VVT cam and phaser, pistons and headwork to run at 14:1 CR.
As a 480rwhp daily it drives great, but my point is by raising the CR the efficiency not only levels out close to premium gas but slightly betters it - 27.5 mpg hwy on e85 - in a two ton wagon.

[granatl]

Originally Posted by pir4te

I've run flex fuel up to e85 for 112k miles now, in a car came with ZL1 pump and FSCM for e38, sensor and stock GenIV injectors - 2011 Holden SS-V 6.0 - which is N/A.
Originally run with bolt-ons, I recently had it overhauled and swapped in VVT cam and phaser, pistons and headwork to run at 14:1 CR.
As a 480rwhp daily it drives great, but my point is by raising the CR the efficiency not only levels out close to premium gas but slightly betters it - 27.5 mpg hwy on e85 - in a two ton wagon.

Very cool!

[Mkn95u0]

Thanks for all the input, i didn't want to leave this hanging so will periodically update it with more info as time progresses.

I just pulled the trigger on the parts. Squash Dual Fuel pump, flex fuel sensor and ID850's (recommended by Mike @ CMS, he said they'd be more than enough). Once the parts come in, i'll set up the apt and get them all installed & tuned. hopefully this will all be done in the next 4-6 weeks. They mentioned i can drop a pulley size with this set up to increase boost at the same time. i'm going to double check on that today before i buy the smaller s/c'r pulley.

[Mkn95u0]

Originally Posted by 2010SSRSM6

580rw will put you way faster than mid 11's with an auto. I was low 11's with a M6 on street tires @ 590rw and asked to leave Fontana until I had my roll bar and it was over 100* that day.

have you gotten a roll bar yet? if so, want to share your experience with me on this? I may need one (pretty sure i'll need one) after this is done; just not sure best route.