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8balldeluxe · 02-09-2016, 11:49 PM

ravensjeff · 02-10-2016, 12:24 AM

I was going to buy the wife a new convertible Camaro, but this thread talked me in to getting her a bad ass 2001 pickup from Changfeng Motor Co. Only paid $349; and I got me over $34,000 in my pocket (no mods for her- bad ass as is!!). Gets her from a-b just the same.

At least she can roll down the window.

rontammy0 · 02-10-2016, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

It's not a matter of pushing expensive parts. We sell Stainless Power and even Pacesetter. We sell those companies because they have a reputation for doing what they do consistently well, and standing behind their parts.

That said, there is ZERO chance I am gonna buy a run of 50 knock off headers from some random Asian business man, and paste my name on them.

Fair enough...to be honest i wasnt really comparing the low low end products...in most cases it doesnt matter what it is its mostly junk. I was talking more about the mid range stuff...like the products you carry. But i do understand your point.

cc-rider · 02-10-2016, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ravensjeff

I was going to buy the wife a new convertible Camaro, but this thread talked me in to getting her a bad ass 2001 pickup from Changfeng Motor Co. Only paid $349; and I got me over $34,000 in my pocket (no mods for her- bad ass as is!!). Gets her from a-b just the same.

At least she can roll down the window.

Wow. Amazing that you're from Maryland. Hmmmmm??? Any chance you know another party in this thread?? So now we have the manufacturer....convincing the pass-thru vendor....convincing their lap dogs...to tow the line?

And all for what? You don't need to trash those of us who don't choose the products that you like! It's not like you are pushing a bad option. The headers you like are no question high quality, great option. But stand by your beloved product on its own price vs performance ratio. No need to trash everyone else. Or...lets do an audit of your own property, and see just how American you are.

And just so we're clear...I've got no horses in this race. I'm a general Joe-Schmo hot rodder. Wife, 3 kids, great life that has nothing to do with the automotive world. And I'm a bit cheap. $700 probably means more to me than it should. It's not so much the $700...it's that I could pay $340 for something that others want $1000+ for. And I'm struggling to find a reason why. Why not spend that money on something else?

And to be fair (I'm not that cheap)...I've got a $7000+ Kenne Bell supercharger....a Flowmaster exhaust....a Hurst shifter. And now Speed Engineering Headers....ID1000 injectors....ZL1 pump and ADM FPCM...HP Tuners for tuning. I could go on and on. Some of the things I've purchased are approved here, some not. I'm independent.

ravensjeff · 02-10-2016, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cc-rider

Wow. Amazing that you're from Maryland. Hmmmmm??? Any chance you know another party in this thread?? So now we have the manufacturer....convincing the pass-thru vendor....convincing their lap dogs...to tow the line?

And all for what? You don't need to trash those of us who don't choose the products that you like! It's not like you are pushing a bad option. The headers you like are no question high quality, great option. But stand by your beloved product on its own price vs performance ratio. No need to trash everyone else. Or...lets do an audit of your own property, and see just how American you are.

And just so we're clear...I've got no horses in this race. I'm a general Joe-Schmo hot rodder. Wife, 3 kids, great life that has nothing to do with the automotive world. And I'm a bit cheap. $700 probably means more to me than it should. It's not so much the $700...it's that I could pay $340 for something that others want $1000+ for. And I'm struggling to find a reason why. Why not spend that money on something else?

And to be fair (I'm not that cheap)...I've got a $7000+ Kenne Bell supercharger....a Flowmaster exhaust....a Hurst shifter. And now Speed Engineering Headers....ID1000 injectors....ZL1 pump and ADM FPCM...HP Tuners for tuning. I could go on and on. Some of the things I've purchased are approved here, some not. I'm independent.

What, you don't like the Changfeng pickup?

If you go back and re-read this thread, the only people bitching are the ones who feel the need to justify buying cheaper headers. In the end, I'm glad I bought what I have and you should be too; who gives a shit what someone else thinks.

rontammy0 · 02-10-2016, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ravensjeff

What, you don't like the Changfeng pickup?

If you go back and re-read this thread, the only people bitching are the ones who feel the need to justify buying cheaper headers. In the end, I'm glad I bought what I have and you should be too; who gives a shit what someone else thinks.

Don't confuse facts with bitching.....when your perfectly happy with a good product at a reasonable price......thats not bitching. If you want to spend more that's your problem. ...if I want to spend less....thats my problem.

BlaqWhole · 02-10-2016, 02:58 PM

There is no difference in power. Even among the big names who introduce these new designs and yada yada. A standard set will perform just the same.

There is no difference in fitment. Of all of us who have either TSP or OBX, you won't find any of us who had issues during the install...except for maybe the guys who got 2" and that was more due to variances in clearance under the hood.

A lot of us with the cheap stuff have had them and used them on a DD for many years and miles. Mine have been going for about 2 years and 20K miles. Sure they rusted a bit. I expected that to happen and am ok with it. If it rusts thru, then I'll buy some cheap 2" headers next time.

As far as the metal used, they're all mainly T-304 SS. ARH or Kooks or Pfadt 304 is not better than 304 from another country. One company was using 400 grade. That was XS-Power. And they were selling a complete set of headers with the 3 inch catback for $900 which is a great deal. And even at that, 400 grade steel is still very durable. You'd probably be 10 years or more down the road before you notice any difference between 400 and 304. Yes 304 is better, but being better doesn't make 400 grade crap.

Did OBX steal designs and stuff? I don't care. Is it cheaper to manufacture stuff in China? I don't care. Money talks.

CammytheBeast · 02-10-2016, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KaBoom1701

I'm installing a set of Stainless Works headers soon....

You should also get the stainless works 3" x-pipe retro chambered exhaust! you will fall in love

Fanch1LE · 02-11-2016, 03:10 PM

My Speed Engineering headers just arrived. There is a merge spike in the collectors. In case anyone is wondering how the budget headers look....

No complaints here! So far, feeling like $350 well spent. Hopefully they fit as well as everyone says.

Fanch1LE · 02-11-2016, 03:11 PM

Welds look good to me

8balldeluxe · 02-11-2016, 04:06 PM

They look good to me. Spend that extra $700 on the wife and kids if you have any or just more mods.

cc-rider · 02-11-2016, 04:33 PM

I wasn't even aware they had a merge spike in the collector. Mine should arrive tomorrow. I'll post some pics.

Fanch1LE · 02-11-2016, 04:38 PM

I didn't expect one. There was no mention of it anywhere. Not a great pic but here it is.

cc-rider · 02-11-2016, 05:16 PM

Well there you go. Yet another thing going for it. Although I've never really thought that the merge spike truly gives any more power. I suppose there is some logic behind it. Though nothing that could be proved out on a dyno in a repeatable way. And all things being equal (aka...not paying $700 more for it) I guess I'd rather have one than not.

02-09-2016, 11:49 PM	#57
8balldeluxe Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Victory Red Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Rosenberg, Texas Posts: 780	__________________ Speed Engineering Headers w/ Texas Speed HFC's ~ Flowmaster 2 1/2" cat back w/Flowmaster Super 10's ~ Cold Air Inductions Intake w/ Scoop and WW relocate ~ VMAX CNC Spiral PTB ~ Cross Drilled and Slotted Rotors w/Hawk pads ~ ZL1 Spoiler ~ SCTX4 RDP Tuned

02-10-2016, 12:24 AM	#58
ravensjeff 100% Chevy & Harley Man Drives: 2010 2SS: Blown LSX 376-B15 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Eldersburg,MD Posts: 2,211 View My Garage	I was going to buy the wife a new convertible Camaro, but this thread talked me in to getting her a bad ass 2001 pickup from Changfeng Motor Co. Only paid $349; and I got me over $34,000 in my pocket (no mods for her- bad ass as is!!). Gets her from a-b just the same. At least she can roll down the window. __________________ LSX 376-B15, TVS2300 SC, Harland Sharp Rockers w/ Trunion Bearings, ATI Balancer/keyed, AR LT Headers/Borla Catback Exhaust, DSS 1400 HP Axles, DSS aluminum driveshaft, 3.70, Hotchkis Springs/Sway bars, Forgeline SO3P Aluminum Wheels (20x9.5 F/20x11 R)w/ Hidden Titanium Hardware, Nitto NT05 Tires (27540ZR20 F/31535ZR20 R), Billet LPE brake/gas pedals, Escort 9500ci Radar Detector Laser Jammer, Roto Fab CAI with Ice Silver box, Carbon fiber tube/MAF Housing Assy, LPE Aluminum coil covers, SS9 Sleeper Fiber Glass Hood (ACS), Carbotech 1521 ceramic brake pads, Elite catch can.

02-11-2016, 03:10 PM	#65
Fanch1LE Drives: 2015 1SS 1LE Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Texas Posts: 166	My Speed Engineering headers just arrived. There is a merge spike in the collectors. In case anyone is wondering how the budget headers look.... No complaints here! So far, feeling like $350 well spent. Hopefully they fit as well as everyone says. Attached Images

02-11-2016, 03:11 PM	#66
Fanch1LE Drives: 2015 1SS 1LE Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Texas Posts: 166	Welds look good to me Attached Images

02-11-2016, 04:06 PM	#67
8balldeluxe Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Victory Red Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Rosenberg, Texas Posts: 780	They look good to me. Spend that extra $700 on the wife and kids if you have any or just more mods. __________________ Speed Engineering Headers w/ Texas Speed HFC's ~ Flowmaster 2 1/2" cat back w/Flowmaster Super 10's ~ Cold Air Inductions Intake w/ Scoop and WW relocate ~ VMAX CNC Spiral PTB ~ Cross Drilled and Slotted Rotors w/Hawk pads ~ ZL1 Spoiler ~ SCTX4 RDP Tuned

02-10-2016, 02:58 PM	#63
BlaqWhole Account Suspended Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: May 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 7,692	There is no difference in power. Even among the big names who introduce these new designs and yada yada. A standard set will perform just the same. There is no difference in fitment. Of all of us who have either TSP or OBX, you won't find any of us who had issues during the install...except for maybe the guys who got 2" and that was more due to variances in clearance under the hood. A lot of us with the cheap stuff have had them and used them on a DD for many years and miles. Mine have been going for about 2 years and 20K miles. Sure they rusted a bit. I expected that to happen and am ok with it. If it rusts thru, then I'll buy some cheap 2" headers next time. As far as the metal used, they're all mainly T-304 SS. ARH or Kooks or Pfadt 304 is not better than 304 from another country. One company was using 400 grade. That was XS-Power. And they were selling a complete set of headers with the 3 inch catback for $900 which is a great deal. And even at that, 400 grade steel is still very durable. You'd probably be 10 years or more down the road before you notice any difference between 400 and 304. Yes 304 is better, but being better doesn't make 400 grade crap. Did OBX steal designs and stuff? I don't care. Is it cheaper to manufacture stuff in China? I don't care. Money talks.

02-11-2016, 04:33 PM	#68
cc-rider Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: MN Posts: 1,179	I wasn't even aware they had a merge spike in the collector. Mine should arrive tomorrow. I'll post some pics.

02-11-2016, 04:38 PM	#69
Fanch1LE Drives: 2015 1SS 1LE Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Texas Posts: 166	I didn't expect one. There was no mention of it anywhere. Not a great pic but here it is. Attached Images

02-11-2016, 05:16 PM	#70
cc-rider Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: MN Posts: 1,179	Well there you go. Yet another thing going for it. Although I've never really thought that the merge spike truly gives any more power. I suppose there is some logic behind it. Though nothing that could be proved out on a dyno in a repeatable way. And all things being equal (aka...not paying $700 more for it) I guess I'd rather have one than not.