Camaro Handling, Shut up already.

[two_wheel_mayhem]

Originally Posted by ahart04

ive done upwards of 350+ autocross runs at several PARKING LOTS across Texas. Autocross is for people who have no road course to go to. we race around cones. in a high school parking lot. a real course would have ROOM to open it up. which is why the camaro beat those weaklings with better handling at Laguna Seca. so you say the handling is not adequate. but its all relative. if you have ever been to an autocross event you would know that the fastest times are run by shifter carts...they beat every car. my point is your trying to find a scenario in which your dodge neon compares with the camaro, and that's rediculous, because it's obvious your stretching...

Im not stretching by any means. Isn't this thread about handling which to me means cornering, not powering through the straights.

And not who can get around Laguna Seca the fastest. I can take my big bore straight line motorcycle and lay waste to any of you on roads with big sweepers and long straights. Take them to some tight twisty stuff and I will have problems.

Next!

Yeah it is all relative though, I agree.

[Dan3]

Originally Posted by two_wheel_mayhem

Typical female response there. "I just bought it to look good"

And once something is useless to you, throw it away for half price...... another idiotic tidbit of female logic.

Next!

Nice! Ignorance and sexism in one fell swoop. This dingbat is a winner.

I'm not a female, and the very first questions I ask myself when looking at an auto purchase is "do I like how that looks? and do I want to be seen in public with this?"

Hence why seeing me in a Miata/Z/GTI is a very rare occurrence.

[two_wheel_mayhem]

Originally Posted by shnomac77

I really dont see what the big fuss is. Most people are never going to Track it or push it hard enough in the twisties to notice. The people that will be doing those things will be dropping some money for after market suspension set ups. Build a car for the masses and let the others play with it like they want. Whats the big deal?

This about sums it all up.

[two_wheel_mayhem]

Originally Posted by Dan3

Nice! Ignorance and sexism in one fell swoop. This dingbat is a winner.

I'm not a female, and the very first questions I ask myself when looking at an auto purchase is "do I like how that looks? and do I want to be seen in public with this?"

Hence why seeing me in a Miata/Z/GTI is a very rare occurrence.

She did instruct me to sell my car for half-price. Which would be dumb.

Most guys would say: "If you don't like it trade it in or sell it"

Which either idea hasn't crossed my mind. Sorry if you are all up in arms that the new Camaro is great, but mediocre in all areas.

[KoTToN]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Wow! Where were all you "musclecar" guys with your defenses when the GT500's first went on sale?

If I recall correctly, some of the very same things that are being said about the Camaro today were being said about that car when it was released but, it seemed like only the "Ford fan-boys" had anything to say when similar reasoning was expressed about the Shelby.

Pot, meet kettle.

maybe its because we have the common sense to chat and discuss on our own forums, and dont feel the need to go trolling some ford discussion board?.

[211269]

Originally Posted by shnomac77

And some more lap times....


Pretty good company we are in!
These are laptimes from Mazda Laguna Seca submited mostly by motortrend....

1. Devon GTX 1:35.075 136 ´ 659 / - DMW
2. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 1:35.117 136 ´08 600 / 1536 Motor Trend
3. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 1:35.8 135 ´08 647 / 1519 Motortrend
4. Porsche 997 GT3 1:39.517 130 ´06 415 / 1395 Motortrend
5. Nissan GT-R 1:39.62 130 ´08 479 / 1740 Edmunds
6. Porsche 997 Turbo 1:39.89 130 ´06 480 / 1585 Timed by Edmunds.com
7. Audi R8 1:40.8 129 ´06 420 / 1560 Motor Trend
8. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:40.9 129 ´05 513 / 1437.3 Motor Trend
9. BMW M3 (E92) 1:42.964 126 ´07 420 / 1619 Motor Trend
10. Porsche Cayman S(facelift) PDK 1:43.0 126 ´08 320 / 1350 Motor Trend
11. Cadillac CTS-V 1:43.9 125 ´09 556 / 1908 Motortrend
12. Ford Shelby GT500 1:44.3 124 ´10 547 / 1770 Motortrend
13. Ford Shelby GT500 1:44.716 124 ´06 507 / 1807 Motor Trend
14. Porsche 997 Carrera (2008 facelift) 1:45.0 123 ´08 345 / 1415 Car and Driver
15. Chevrolet Camaro SS 2010 1:45.7 123 ´10 432 / 1750 Motor Trend
16. Lotus Exige 240R 1:45.818 123 ´05 247 / 941 Motortrend
17. Toyota Supra RZ 1:45.87 122 ´94 284 / 1640 Kurosawa Motoharu
18. BMW 135i Coupe (E82) 1:46.0 122 ´07 306 / 1485 Motortrend
19. Nissan Nismo 370Z 1:46.5 122 ´09 355 / 1500 Motortrend
20. Porsche Cayman S 1:47.577 121 ´05 295 / 1406 Motortrend
21. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X MR 1:47.713 120 ´08 295 / 1585 MotorTrend
22. Chevrolet Cobalt SS/TC 1:47.751 120 ´08 260 / 1352 Motor Trend
23. Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX 1:47.926 120 ´05 290 / 1482 Motortrend
24. BMW 335i Coupe 1:49.038 119 ´06 306 / 1610 Motortrend
25. Porsche 997 Carrera S 1:50.0 118 ´04 355 / 1420 Motortrend
26. Mazda 3 MPS 1:50.375 117 ´06 260 / 1485 Motortrend
27. Mazda RX-8 1:50.418 117 ´02 231 / 1379 Motor Trend
28. Honda S2000 1:50.738 117 ´99 239 / 1260 Motortrend
29. Mini Mini Cooper S Works GP Kit 1:51.733 116 ´06 218 / 1180 Motortrend
30. Mazda MX-5 Grand Touring 1:52.2 116 ´09 162 / 1165 Motortrend
31. Honda Civic SI 1:54.990 113 ´06 197 / 1330 Motortrend
32. Honda NSX 1:57 111 ´04 280 / 1330 Jeremy Clarkson

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track16.html

I am still skeptical of this, is there any proof of this run? Having owned an Evo VIII and now driven my Camaro 1700+ miles on all kinds of roads, I can safely say there is no way in hell I would attempt to take some tight turns nearly as fast in my Camaro as I did with my Evo. Is the suspension in the SS upgraded from the one in my V6?

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by 211269

I am still skeptical of this, is there any proof of this run? Having owned an Evo VIII and now driven my Camaro 1700+ miles on all kinds of roads, I can safely say there is no way in hell I would attempt to take some tight turns nearly as fast in my Camaro as I did with my Evo. Is the suspension in the SS upgraded from the one in my V6?

If the proof you are looking for is me being there... Nope I wasnt
These are published times from motortrend. I am just using these times as a reference saying that we have a "ok" base to build on. Any track times can vary. They don't list what the weather was like or track conditions. The EVO probably has better handling but just cant make up the power difference. We saw the same thing recently with the Mustang and its track pack. It handles better and feels lighter.... it just wasn't enough to overcome the camaros power. Is the Camaros suspension great.... No way. But most people will never notice because they will never push it that hard. JMHO on the last part......

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by coquinn8846

Well put. I love my car soooo much. The only thing I hate is when I hear off in the distance no it's a v6 because some guy doesn't think a girl can handle a 426hp 6 speed. But it does my heart good to butt in and say oh no it's not a v6. Let me get back on track! If there were something I didn't like about this car I would not come on here and complain about it. I might would ask how I could change it because there is so much info on here. I understand people are entitled to their own opinion but why ruin the excitement for others? I know there are those of you that say well this is a forum and if he doesn't like something then it's his opinion so suck it up. Again maybe it's just the way I was raised but I always try to be nice, until it's time not to be nice. others and the fact they have waited on this car for a long time.

Well said, and you rock.

You go girl!

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Originally Posted by fdjizm

a weeks paycheck my 50 year old live axle will out corner you

Unless you hit a pebble with a rear wheel, and then the whole tail steps out as you watch Camaro butt leave you quickly.


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OK. First off, the Camaro was doomed to weightiness when GM chose the Zeta platform.

All us "old C5'ers" were hoping against all odds that GM would magically carve off 500 pounds from the 4000lb G8 Zeta.

Didn't happen, nobody likes that it didn't happen. Maybe next platform.


Even so, I'd rather pay double for a Camaro SS, then drive a Mustang for free.


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[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by 211269

I am still skeptical of this, is there any proof of this run? Having owned an Evo VIII and now driven my Camaro 1700+ miles on all kinds of roads, I can safely say there is no way in hell I would attempt to take some tight turns nearly as fast in my Camaro as I did with my Evo. Is the suspension in the SS upgraded from the one in my V6?

Could it be that you are just not as used to the Camaro as the EVO? Big difference in AWD handling and RWD handling. Maybe once you get more in tune with the drive train change you will feel more "comfortable" pushing the Camaro to the edge . Don't get me wrong I'm not saying the Camaros suspension is anywhere near perfect. Hell suspension work will be the first thing I do.
I have noticed that allot of people that don't like the "feel" of the suspension are coming from front wheel and AWD cars.

[scrming]

Originally Posted by camaro5

Unless you hit a pebble with a rear wheel, and then the whole tail steps out as you watch Camaro butt leave you quickly.

You need to go for a ride with my friend Scott Hoag in his Mach 1 racer... might give you a better feeling for what a Mustang is capable off.. and trust me he's hit a few pebbles along the way!



And besides.. Mustangs actually do quite well on 2 wheels! LOL!

[SoFlaZ]

Originally Posted by two_wheel_mayhem

Typical female response there. "I just bought it to look good"

And once something is useless to you, throw it away for half price...... another idiotic tidbit of female logic.

Next!

WOW

[CamaroFemme]

Originally Posted by two_wheel_mayhem

Typical female response there. "I just bought it to look good"

Yes, a much better reason to buy it would be to engage in a meaningless brand name war and go a few seconds faster than a Mustang.

And once something is useless to you, throw it away for half price...... another idiotic tidbit of female logic.

Ooo. Looks like someone's been thrown away by a female lately.

Next!

That's what she said.

[Treadstone]

Who cares about "most people won't even take their car to the limit" that's just stupid talk. If that affected any real decisions, chevrolet would have 1 corvette. And not a Z51/GS/Z06/ZR1 option.

This thread is about Camaro's handling capability, not Treadstone's or Dan3's handling capability.

[themossman]

Originally Posted by two_wheel_mayhem

Sorry if you are all up in arms that the new Camaro is great, but mediocre in all areas.

LOL...I'm not a fanboy...and dish out criticism where it's due...including towards the handling (more so the weight) of the car. But to say it's 'mediocre' in all areas is a clear indication that you're either a) not serious or b)stupid

Find me a car with more power, better handling, and a better fit and finish for 35K (2SS/RS).