they killed the thread/so here is another

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by Xmicro_SS

I hate that crap, who knows what inept driver was driving or who was paid off to skew results. I hate Motor Trend. Sniffling little spoiled Yuppies! Ohhhh MY BMW, MY MERCEDES!

Not that I like motortrend but their lap times at race tracks seem to be good to go.... they know they would get called out if it was BS. To many weekend warriors frequent open track days to let them get away with anything.

[two_wheel_mayhem]

Last time I was at Deal's Gap (tail of the dragon) there was a Camaro there. As well as Vettes Vipers and it was 350Z weekend.

Didn't watch any of them.

It's a nice road, but hard to get a clean run. Usually I get held up alot waiting for the opportune time to pass a minivan or Harley.

Show up there on a weeknight around 5pm and you will get a clean run with not much traffic and usually no cops.

I really prefer to run UP the tight side though.

[syr74]

Of course, the Mustang's live axle is completely tapped out, nowhere to go from here. I like it better when you guys look surprised.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by shnomac77

Ford has worked on the live axel for sooooooo long they have it damn near perfected. On the other side think of how far behind the 8-ball they are going to be when GM perfects the IRS on the camaro..... Im just sayin

You could say the same thing about GM and pushrod V8 engines ...

Anyway, now that there has been some track tests of the SS's handling it seems clear to me that GM left room for improvement on its setup.

[GrnMchin]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

You could say the same thing about GM and pushrod V8 engines ...

Anyway, now that there has been some track tests of the SS's handling it seems clear to me that GM left room for improvement on its setup.

I would agree, but will never give up my Wifes Camaro.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

You could say the same thing about GM and pushrod V8 engines ...

Anyway, now that there has been some track tests of the SS's handling it seems clear to me that GM left room for improvement on its setup.

Camaro's handling issues should be very simple to resolve with a producable setup that doesn't degrade ride quality.

[GrnMchin]

Originally Posted by syr74

Camaro's handling issues should be very simple to resolve with a producable setup that doesn't degrade ride quality.

The two advantage of a IRS is ride and breaking in corners. I hope to see improvement in the near future.

[bobby35ny]

The 2010 Camaro handles like a 3800lb car should. It's heavy so you really can't throw it around like a 3500lb car. But WE ALL KNEW THAT!!, Car is 3800lbs!!

Now, the BIG issue is the MAJOR, almost dangerous understeer that the Camaro has. I really think this should be addressed by the factory and maybe some sort of campaign later on when its fixed. I have a funny feeling the 2011 will NOT be staggered like the 2010. Something went wrong for sure.

-bobby

[syr74]

Originally Posted by GrnMchin

The two advantage of a IRS is ride and breaking in corners. I hope to see improvement in the near future.

It's pretty obvious that rear spring rates are way too soft and the car is under-tired up front. Ultimately this makes front end work way too hard while the rear is kinda just along for the ride in some cases. Should be an easy fix for GM, I'll be curious to see if they address the issue for the 2011my.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

The 2010 Camaro handles like a 3800lb car should. It's heavy so you really can't throw it around like a 3500lb car. But WE ALL KNEW THAT!!, Car is 3800lbs!!

Now, the BIG issue is the MAJOR, almost dangerous understeer that the Camaro has. I really think this should be addressed by the factory and maybe some sort of campaign later on when its fixed. I have a funny feeling the 2011 will NOT be staggered like the 2010. Something went wrong for sure.

-bobby

Actually, the issues I address above means that the Camaro really does act like a heavier car than it is. If GM does address the issue my guess is that a simple rear spring swap to whatever newer units the General moves to and a wider front tire will do wonders for existing cars. Of course, it isn't all a bed of roses. Those wider front wheels and tires will hurt steering feel, and the as this is an area where the Camaro has already taken some lumps GM might want to take a look at the racks on these cars while they are under there. Unfortunately, this is the one issue which may not be such an easy fix for owners. To wit, fixing the understeer issue on existing cars may make the steering noticeably worse.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

previous comment: Its true that a live axle is antiquated tech, and that IRS is all the rage...but if your statement of live axle < IRS is true in all cases, than why does the GT500 with its live axle do better in lateral gs and the slalom? Just food for thought.

Ford has performed a miracle with the GT500 & the GT/Track Pack handling wise, but they are at the max for it.
On the other hand the SS suspension is just in its infancy. Just wait and see where it goes from here.

As a side note if it can run as well as the posted track (Laguna Seca) times wait till the handling is sorted out. What other cars will the Camaro beat?




http://www.fastestlaps.com/track16.html

Spoken like a true fanboy.

There is a lot more room for tweaking with the live axle setup. Unfortunately Ford sells to more than just racetrack drivers. They have to also think about a compliant ride for all the different people who might potentially buy the car. Ford has the best suspension engineers in the business. How else do you explain this antiquated live axle handling so well.

You must forget that the Camaro is 3800lbs. Tweak away and it might move up one spot on your list.

[joelster]

FWIW, on a DEAD smooth track where they test their lateral G's and their slalom course runs, a live axle is excellent. An independent rear can be made just as good though. However go onto REAL ROADS IN THE USA and go around a sharp corner that has a bump or 2 in it and see how well the live axle handles it. It will be upset and skip out if you take the corner hard, because as soon as 1 wheel reacts to the bump the other wheel will also react. With an independent rear even if one wheel is hitting a bump the other wheel will stay glued to the pavement allowing you to corner MUCH harder on an uneven surface than you could with a live axle.

[AZCamaroFan]

Eeeeexactly.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

Spoken like a true fanboy.

There is a lot more room for tweaking with the live axle setup. Unfortunately Ford sells to more than just racetrack drivers. They have to also think about a compliant ride for all the different people who might potentially buy the car. Ford has the best suspension engineers in the business. How else do you explain this antiquated live axle handling so well.

You must forget that the Camaro is 3800lbs. Tweak away and it might move up one spot on your list.

No there is not.
If a compliant ride is what they are after then they should have used an independent rear.
The Ford engineers as I said worked a miracle on the rear set up, however there are many many many far better designs.
The caddy is 4200 lbs.