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deweyg63 · 05-06-2016, 07:35 AM

I would say GM prolly has their asses covered. The reason it took so long to get the final no was they had their lawyers look over everything and then tell them what they could get away with. It sucks but greed and shareholder interest rules

Flotek · 05-06-2016, 08:04 AM

I'd get the lawyer involved get some independent tests done and Mail the results along with the lawyer letter . If that doesn't get you anywhere then I'd suck it up, cut my losses and take the car to an honest local mechanic for repair on your dime it may be not as serious and costly as you think could be less than a thousand dollars to fix it which is less than a lawyer will want to even litigate such a claim . In a court room it is unlikely you'll win because they have picture proof that modifications were done which we all know is bogus . but to a judge who probably doesn't know a (catch can from an turbo charger )that may give him an easy reason to go their way . Don't be surprised if the dealer you took it too was in on it . They want to be sure they get paid so they could have took pictures of that catch can and raised concern before doing anything to ensure they get that good warranty money. They might have screwed the whole warranty issue up by prematurely blowing the whistle on your modifications out of fear of not getting paid by gm. The dealers are not your friend their goal is to make as much money off you as possible

wrtowman · 05-06-2016, 08:07 AM

C'mon guys. This isnt rocket science. Of course they are gonna deny it. Its just like insurance companies paying out claims. The burden of proof is on you to prove that you are right. Fight back. They know that this is on them but until you put the proper pressure on them, they arent going to cave in.

If you do have to get a lawyer, include their fees in your suit. You will not be out of anything because you will win.

Rainbow1616 · 05-06-2016, 08:15 AM

But is it worth having a catch can if WE may have to go through this someday? Hopefully a vendor or manufacturer will respond to this thread.
I empty mine about every 6 months or so and I always get a few ounces out of it but as most of us using their Camaro as a DD I certainly could not afford any downtime while they denied a warranty claim. Makes Me wonder if I should just take it off?

Jackass · 05-06-2016, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormcloak

Step 1: Put a new oil pump in the car on your own dime
Step 2: find out where the GM decision makers in this case live, and visit them with a bat.

Why you would want to do #2 , there is nothing to gain by doing it on your own time
First it can , and generally does get a little messy , and time consuming
Do it the way it should be done , clean , quick and without unnecessary risks
That's the way things are done these days OUTSOUCE IT
Let the pros do what they do day in day out !

102SS · 05-06-2016, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Soybeanrice

While youre replacing the oil pump, swap out the cam and upgrade the valvetrain! She'll be running even better in no time soon.

If anything, it would only take you a day or two to get in a new oil pump. There will be a lot of fluids...

Update us on what you decide to do. Unfortunately, we're states apart or I would offer to help.

In the original post the OP said the tech and service manager said it had an engine noise.

They may have run the engine to do their expert diagnosis after being told it had no oil pressure.

I would contact Sema,they may be able to help you

https://www.sema.org/

Gregss1le · 05-06-2016, 08:41 AM

I would be cutting any and all ties with your current dealer. Then I would be contacting some at Rodgers Chevrolet, I would also be contacting a senior rep at GM customer care, being nice and professional is the best way to start out. Hope all works out in the end though, hang in there and keep track of everyone you talk to and when, that's your proof in the pudding.

Iron Lung Jimmy · 05-06-2016, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainbow1616

But is it worth having a catch can if WE may have to go through this someday? Hopefully a vendor or manufacturer will respond to this thread.
I empty mine about every 6 months or so and I always get a few ounces out of it but as most of us using their Camaro as a DD I certainly could not afford any downtime while they denied a warranty claim. Makes Me wonder if I should just take it off?

We have a winner!!!!

For a modification of dubious value on a non DI engine, my personal answer is no. But that's just me.

qcman · 05-06-2016, 09:14 AM

Wow car had an oil pump failure and they put another mile on the engine and toasted it! I would go after the dealer for running the engine knowing it had no oil pressure and should not have been run....

JD555 · 05-06-2016, 09:15 AM

You shut the engine off as soon as you saw the message. They put 1 mile on the car driving it with no oil pressure. They ruined your engine. I would fight it.

68rssscamaro · 05-06-2016, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD555

You shut the engine off as soon as you saw the message. They put 1 mile on the car driving it with no oil pressure. They ruined your engine. I would fight it.

Good point, lets hope the dealer documented the "in" mileage.

Criticalmass · 05-06-2016, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

This should serve as a cautionary tale that despite whatever that Magnuson-Moss thing says, GM can do whatever they want and there is very little you can do about it.

Ohhh nooo.

Lawyer up. Don't listen to GM. Get a lawyer. GM has to PROVE the part caused the failure. Get a LAWYER, because there will be other compensation to be had as well. I can't stress this enough. GET A LAWYER. GM will lose and you WILL be compensated for more than just the car.

GM has already lost this case, they are banking on you listening to them and walking away without obtaining legal representation. In the end it won't even make it to court, they will cave and settle. Been there, done that, get a lawyer. Stop all communication with GM and let your Lawyer send out his letter stating that he is now representing you in this matter.

arkentect · 05-06-2016, 09:41 AM

Whatever you decide to do, don't mention the BBB. GM and dealers will immediately clam up and refuse to talk to you.

Moto-Mojo · 05-06-2016, 09:46 AM

I thought the "new"(er) Camaro's had a 'new and improved' oil pump? Maybe this thread answers the question but is it still a failure point of the LS based engine? Especially from GM's warranty standpoint, why make a hi-perf motor with a suspect oil pump? Because you can afford better counsel than John Q. Public?

05-06-2016, 08:07 AM	#45
wrtowman Drives: 2011 Camaro 1SS Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Warner Robins Ga Posts: 778	C'mon guys. This isnt rocket science. Of course they are gonna deny it. Its just like insurance companies paying out claims. The burden of proof is on you to prove that you are right. Fight back. They know that this is on them but until you put the proper pressure on them, they arent going to cave in. If you do have to get a lawyer, include their fees in your suit. You will not be out of anything because you will win. __________________ 2011 SGM Camaro 1SS/RS A6 - Vengeance Racing built/tuned. 590RWHP/560RWTQ, ADM LSA Conversion, 2.5 Grip-Tec, ZL1 fuel pump, ADM FPCM, FIC1000, VRPD2 Cam and LS3 Conversion with all the internal goodies, American Racing 1 7/8 Headers, no cats, SW Retro Cat Back, ADM Intake, AFCO HX, Varimax Pump, Rotofab Reservoir, B&M Transmission Cooler, VMAX TB, Elite Engineering CC, BMR LCAs, Trailing Arms, Toe Rods, DSS 1000hp axles, ZL1 Bumper and Sideskirts, Night Owl Halos, Matte Black 20" Rohana RC-22 with 20x10-275s/20x11-315s, R1 Concept Premier Drilled/Slotted Rotors, Hawk Ceramic Pads.

05-06-2016, 08:41 AM	#49
Gregss1le Asskicker Drives: '15 Camaro Blue Velvet Metallic 1le Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Commerce, MI Posts: 227	I would be cutting any and all ties with your current dealer. Then I would be contacting some at Rodgers Chevrolet, I would also be contacting a senior rep at GM customer care, being nice and professional is the best way to start out. Hope all works out in the end though, hang in there and keep track of everyone you talk to and when, that's your proof in the pudding. __________________ 2015 Camaro 1ss 1le 1991 Camaro LsX-not stock

05-06-2016, 09:41 AM	#55
arkentect Drives: 2010 Camaro SGM 1LT M6 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 1,630	Whatever you decide to do, don't mention the BBB. GM and dealers will immediately clam up and refuse to talk to you. __________________ Arkentect's Build Thread!! - UPSTATE C5 MEMBER 2010 SGM M6 1LT - SOLD Current - 2009 C6 Corvette Z51

05-06-2016, 09:46 AM	#56
Moto-Mojo Fast Cars and Old Guitars Drives: 2015 2SS RS (L99, baby!) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: N. CA Posts: 4,217	I thought the "new"(er) Camaro's had a 'new and improved' oil pump? Maybe this thread answers the question but is it still a failure point of the LS based engine? Especially from GM's warranty standpoint, why make a hi-perf motor with a suspect oil pump? Because you can afford better counsel than John Q. Public? __________________ “I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

05-06-2016, 07:35 AM	#43
deweyg63 Drives: 2011 2SS/RS 500+ h.p. monster Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Charleston IL Posts: 272	I would say GM prolly has their asses covered. The reason it took so long to get the final no was they had their lawyers look over everything and then tell them what they could get away with. It sucks but greed and shareholder interest rules

05-06-2016, 08:04 AM	#44
Flotek Drives: 2015 RS camaro Join Date: May 2016 Location: Pa Posts: 187	I'd get the lawyer involved get some independent tests done and Mail the results along with the lawyer letter . If that doesn't get you anywhere then I'd suck it up, cut my losses and take the car to an honest local mechanic for repair on your dime it may be not as serious and costly as you think could be less than a thousand dollars to fix it which is less than a lawyer will want to even litigate such a claim . In a court room it is unlikely you'll win because they have picture proof that modifications were done which we all know is bogus . but to a judge who probably doesn't know a (catch can from an turbo charger )that may give him an easy reason to go their way . Don't be surprised if the dealer you took it too was in on it . They want to be sure they get paid so they could have took pictures of that catch can and raised concern before doing anything to ensure they get that good warranty money. They might have screwed the whole warranty issue up by prematurely blowing the whistle on your modifications out of fear of not getting paid by gm. The dealers are not your friend their goal is to make as much money off you as possible

05-06-2016, 08:15 AM	#46
Rainbow1616 Drives: 2011 Inferno Orange Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,372	But is it worth having a catch can if WE may have to go through this someday? Hopefully a vendor or manufacturer will respond to this thread. I empty mine about every 6 months or so and I always get a few ounces out of it but as most of us using their Camaro as a DD I certainly could not afford any downtime while they denied a warranty claim. Makes Me wonder if I should just take it off?

05-06-2016, 09:14 AM	#51
qcman Drives: 2013 Camaro 2SS RDP Tuned L99 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ottawa, Canada eh? Posts: 1,889	Wow car had an oil pump failure and they put another mile on the engine and toasted it! I would go after the dealer for running the engine knowing it had no oil pressure and should not have been run....

05-06-2016, 09:15 AM	#52
JD555 Drives: 2014 2SS RS, 6 sp man Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Marlton, NJ Posts: 461	You shut the engine off as soon as you saw the message. They put 1 mile on the car driving it with no oil pressure. They ruined your engine. I would fight it.