A post I was hoping to not have to make (GM blocks L3 engine warranty repair)

[MrChrisLS3]

Originally Posted by chjki

This should serve as a cautionary tale that despite whatever that Magnuson-Moss thing says, GM can do whatever they want and there is very little you can do about it.

Well, the thing is, the manufacturer does have to provide evidence that the modification in some way caused the failure. Unfortunately, they don't have to do this until they are forced to (legal action).

The other part of the cautionary tale is to know what dealers are not going to give some modifications a second thought. If you are going to mod your car, look for dealers in your area that sponsor enthusiast clubs, Corvettes, Camaros, etc. They are going to be more in tune with what's going on with aftermarket stuff.

The other part of this lesson, is that if you are going to add something, even as simple and harmless as a CAI or catch can, plan on using a Chevy dealer. Part of this issue, I believe, is that the dealership the car was taken to may not have had a ton of experience with the LS3/L99 engine. This, along with maybe not recognizing the catch can, (I mean how many GMC's, and Caddy's are going to have one?) may have prompted the tech to make the call to the Technical Assistance Center in the first place. A chevy tech probably would not have had to make this call for an oil pump issue, and it was the T.A.C. that prompted the warranty block.

[lbls1]

Not sure if this was covered, but if its an oil pump and gm isn't covering it, then see if you can get the pump fixed from a private mechanic. Once the car is fixed, then consider trading it or selling it to get away from it.

Sorry to hear about your troubles. That's the thing with GM warranties (a lot of people don't believe it, but I've been through this), in that you really can't modify your car and expect to get warranty coverage. Sometimes you get away with it, but its that one time that you get caught that will be the killer.

[Jayjellyfish212]

Possibly but what modification! prove its not a betterment say? I still would discuss with the bank. To me that would be like saying you put an addition on your home so we cant warranty the rights in your mortgage agreement. Actually the proof of said modification lies with the defendant(GM) to prove the case. The plaintiff ( OP) has an issue; 3 mechanics reports need to be obtained first outlining the cause and hopefully would outweigh said modification unless proven to be the cause with specific detail that would show say a failed part was due to what ever outside of say bad oil pump. OP really needs to first get official reports from 3 other certified mechanics, then prepare a letter to GM and one to the first dealership also following others findings. OP needs to make a notarized letter request in writing of issue ( to include problem and your demand, don't include what was said via phone as no proof and that's hear say, keep it simple and facts only). . Phone calls are no no as you have no proof and its hear say. letter is fact and proof along with the reports from the other mechanics. You must request a response and give a deadline of a response expectation. In turn they will see you are moving in a direction of a fact and you have a legal proof paper trail. They know they can say anything on a phone but a document is worth a thousand words. Sad you have to deal with this issue instead of just enjoying driving the car you are paying for but truth is if this goes to court id rather see you have proof documents a judge would look at seriously and not hear what he said she said.

[Mr. Stacy]

Originally Posted by 68rssscamaro

How does this petition work? Does it just go to the GM official that it is addressed to, after a certain amount of signatures are collected? Or does she have visibility to it already? Anyone know?

I signed already and was just curious.

I will be working on that today. Unfortunately, GM does not publish direct email address for their executives. The VP does have a linked-in account, but I will do some research on how best to get this seen. Might have to submit it on their web form etc.

No worries. It will be seen by the powers that be and hopefully it will be addressed.

This is merely the first round. I have other ideas. GM can nip this in the bud, or let it get out of hand. Really their call.

JMHO as always.

[MrChrisLS3]

Originally Posted by Mr. Stacy

I will be working on that today. Unfortunately, GM does not publish direct email address for their executives. The VP does have a linked-in account, but I will do some research on how best to get this seen. Might have to submit it on their web form etc.

No worries. It will be seen by the powers that be and hopefully it will be addressed.

This is merely the first round. I have other ideas. GM can nip this in the bud, or let it get out of hand. Really their call.

JMHO as always.

Link it to Jalopnik, Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Chevy High Performance, etc. Get the automotive media's attention.

[Jayjellyfish212]

I agree to that the dealer OP took to really has little experience as to what a mod is and what a betterment is. Agreed a dealer that knows aftermarket parts that are simple and ok would never took a picture of an oil catch can in the first place. This is like saying you put different tires than the car came with so your warranty claim is denied. Makes no sense.

[Mr. Stacy]

Originally Posted by Jayjellyfish212

I agree to that the dealer OP took to really has little experience as to what a mod is and what a betterment is. Agreed a dealer that knows aftermarket parts that are simple and ok would never took a picture of an oil catch can in the first place. This is like saying you put different tires than the car came with so your warranty claim is denied. Makes no sense.

Not sure what the finance situation of the OP is on the car, but I would like to see it towed to the selling dealership (Team), or at least to the Chevy dealership in town (Tom Light) for an examination. If they ultimately refuse to do the work, let them keep it and buy something else.

In the meantime, we are working hard to get this resolved quickly. It's the OP's main ride so that makes it very difficult for him on another level.

But it needs to get back in the hands of GM, and perferably a dealer very familiar with Camaro.

JMHO.

[MrChrisLS3]

Posted links of these threads to Jalopnik's facebook page, and sent them to SEMA. Who knows what they'll do with it.

[Mr. Stacy]

PS, keep signing!

https://www.change.org/p/alicia-bole...edium=copyLink

[Mr. Stacy]

Originally Posted by MrChrisLS3

Posted links of these threads to Jalopnik's facebook page, and sent them to SEMA. Who knows what they'll do with it.

Cool, thanks! Everything helps at this point.

[slow-poke]

I don't have time to read the entire thread to see if it was mentioned , but I have heard if you call the federal trade commission and make a complaint , things happen

I never did this myself but I have heard this before on more than one occasion

[PDXSSCE]

Originally Posted by Mr. Stacy

I will be working on that today. Unfortunately, GM does not publish direct email address for their executives. The VP does have a linked-in account, but I will do some research on how best to get this seen. Might have to submit it on their web form etc.

No worries. It will be seen by the powers that be and hopefully it will be addressed.

This is merely the first round. I have other ideas. GM can nip this in the bud, or let it get out of hand. Really their call.

JMHO as always.

Get 'em Sir Stacy.

[HDRDTD]

Originally Posted by Mr. Stacy

PS, keep signing!

https://www.change.org/p/alicia-bole...edium=copyLink

Signed and posted the link on our local club (Detroit5thGen) website.

[maddoggyusa]

without reading this whole post, doesn't it sound like a bad oil pump? and if they just put one in it woulda fixed the problem and no big deal????

Sounds like this dealership didn't do you any favors. What idiot mechanic would drive the car with bad oil pressure? And now they might have made things worse when all it needed was an oil pump. I wouldn't doubt they drove your car on purpose thinking knowing things would get worse and they'd get big money to repair it vs just an oil pump.