GM CATCH CAN Warranty Denial PETITION

[Mr. Stacy]

This does not say "will void your entire warranty".

Originally Posted by GM 2015 Warranty

Aftermarket Engine Performance Enhancement Products and Modifications

Some aftermarket engine performance products and modifications promise a way to increase the horsepower and torque levels of your vehicle’s powertrain. You should be aware that these products may have detrimental effects on the performance and life of the engine, exhaust emission system, transmission, and drivetrain.

The Duramax Diesel Engine, Allison Automatic Transmission®, and drivetrain have been designed and built to offer industry leading durability and performance in the most demanding applications. Engine power enhancement products may enable the engine to operate at horsepower and torque levels that could damage, create failure, or reduce the life of the engine, engine emission system, transmission, and drivetrain.

Damage, failure, or reduced life of the engine, transmission, emission system, drivetrain or other vehicle components caused by aftermarket engine performance enhancement products or modifications may not be covered under your vehicle warranty.

Originally Posted by 2015 GM Warranty

Original Equipment Alterations

This warranty does not cover any damage or failure resulting from modification or alteration to the vehicle's original equipment as manufactured or assembled by General Motors. Examples of the types of alterations that would not be covered include cutting, welding, or disconnecting of the vehicle's original equipment parts and components.

Additionally, General Motors does not warranty non-GM parts, calibrations, and/or software modifications. The use of parts, control module calibrations, software modifications, and/or any other alterations not issued through General Motors will void the warranty coverage for those components that are damaged or otherwise affected by the installation of the non-GM part, control module calibration, software modification, and/or other alteration.

The only exception is that non-GM parts labeled “Certified to EPA Standards” are covered by the Federal Emissions Performance Warranty.

[Jackass]

Originally Posted by scandata

Good luck on the rebuild. Sorry it didn't work out. If there's any bright side to this, now that the warranty is blocked you can do WHATEVER you want with the engine.

So , what happen with the Magnusen / vs GM thing , why it didn't kick in and worked like it suppose to work ?
I'm just curious about that , and on the same token , what's going to happen with all the manufcters /buyers/users that have those catch cans installed
Will it be a cleanup case that all or most of the users will be removing it from their cars , specially the ones that care to keep and still are under the GM warranty time/mileage ?

[LT1Zob]

Originally Posted by Mr. Stacy

Go read your warranty. Show me where it says your warranty is void because of a mod.

"The Chevrolet LIMITED Warranty and Owner Assistance" booklet that came with the purchase of my 2013 Camaro, "limited" being the key word here. Under the "Origial Equipment Alterations" subheading it states that any cutting, disconnecting or welding of ANY original equipment parts and components after final assembly at General Motors will void your warranty. On your V6, you CUT your tube to splice in your lines to your catch can. On my V8, I have to DISCONNECT and discard the pigtail hose that the car left the GM factory with to attach my catch can. That's enough for their shark eating lawyers, that's all.

To be clear, my comment was in no way directed at you. It was in a semi jokingly way directed at the silly and baseless comments of others. I thank you for taking charge and standing up for the OP as well as every one of us that MAY run into this issue one day. Both you and I and anyone with a half a brain can prove that the oil catch can did not cause this issue. However, because the OP pulled the pigtail on his v8 only to keep his intake clean, it's altered, and therefore will require lots of time and money to fight and prove his case.

You can buy any make or model you want. They all have attorneys that word their warranty contracts. As I said in another post, the brunt of the blame here goes on his dealer. We don't use the "your dealer is an idiot" emoji enough here.

[rdame]

I have not completely read through the entire thread but I believe I got the gist. This is, in my opinion the first shot across the bow of many more to come by all the major manufacturers. They have for years been trying to pass legislation to prevent modification of vehicles. To date is has not been successful. However we are now on the cusp of the introduction of the self driving cars, automatic brake application, lane shift warnings, pedestrian warnings, and who knows what else. The implications that could occur if an accident happens with one of these vehicles and it is determined it was modded, had a tune, or some other after market device attached are obvious. We don't own the software on our computers, I am not sure if we own (likely not) the firmware in our cars. I do not agree with it, but the more of the automation we allow into our vehicles, the less we will have control over their functional implementation. It is sad, but the time is coming where we will once again be losing control of personal choice and individuality. The auto industry obviously can see this on the horizon and are also using it as warranty leverage. A good example is If you change your seat covers, and they are not stock, will they interfere with airbag operation? Could be. You put a gage pod on you A pillar, did an airbag deployment shatter them? Yet it is perfectly OK for manufacturer's to say "you airbag is a hand grenade" but we cannot change it for 6 months because we don't have any. Forget the fact that they had evidence of failure a continued to use them.

I don't know what the answer is, but I think we need as automobile enthusiasts to begin to envision what that means and how we are going to begin to mobilize to protect our rights.

Just my 2 cents

[Jackass]

Originally Posted by BruHop

I like my Camaro and will not be selling it. But I do hold companies responsible for their actions. This will make it hard for me to consider future GM purchases.

Plus one , I'm done with those that decided to fix ignitions switches only after 160 plus people had their life taken , supposedly by a defected part in their cars , while they new about it and did nothing for a long time
I've moved on , and I'm not looking back !

[Jeff1981]

Originally Posted by qcman

Its in the Warranty/TSB section of the site. Bottom line right from the OP repair was denied due to modification, warranty blocked for good.

I am pissed with GM and I will be shopping competitors should I decide to purchase a new car. They can go pound sand!

Dodge Challenger's are pretty great cars also...

[Mr. Stacy]

Originally Posted by gzobian

"The Chevrolet LIMITED Warranty and Owner Assistance" booklet that came with the purchase of my 2013 Camaro, "limited" being the key word here. Under the "Origial Equipment Alterations" subheading it states that any cutting, disconnecting or welding of ANY original equipment parts and components after final assembly at General Motors will void your warranty. On your V6, you CUT your tube to splice in your lines to your catch can. On my V8, I have to DISCONNECT and discard the pigtail hose that the car left the GM factory with to attach my catch can. That's enough for their shark eating lawyers, that's all.

To be clear, my comment was in no way directed at you. It was in a semi jokingly way directed at the silly and baseless comments of others. I thank you for taking charge and standing up for the OP as well as every one of us that MAY run into this issue one day. Both you and I and anyone with a half a brain can prove that the oil catch can did not cause this issue. However, because the OP pulled the pigtail on his v8 only to keep his intake clean, it's altered, and therefore will require lots of time and money to fight and prove his case.

You can buy any make or model you want. They all have attorneys that word their warranty contracts. As I said in another post, the brunt of the blame here goes on his dealer. We don't use the "your dealer is an idiot" emoji enough here.

I see what you are saying, I posted this in another thread... This is the actual text from the handbook.

This does not say "will void your entire warranty" anywhere and actually states the only thing it doesn't cover is things broken BECAUSE of the mod. Seems like that would be hard to prove in this case.

Originally Posted by GM 2015 Warranty

Aftermarket Engine Performance Enhancement Products and Modifications

Some aftermarket engine performance products and modifications promise a way to increase the horsepower and torque levels of your vehicle’s powertrain. You should be aware that these products may have detrimental effects on the performance and life of the engine, exhaust emission system, transmission, and drivetrain.

The Duramax Diesel Engine, Allison Automatic Transmission®, and drivetrain have been designed and built to offer industry leading durability and performance in the most demanding applications. Engine power enhancement products may enable the engine to operate at horsepower and torque levels that could damage, create failure, or reduce the life of the engine, engine emission system, transmission, and drivetrain.

Damage, failure, or reduced life of the engine, transmission, emission system, drivetrain or other vehicle components caused by aftermarket engine performance enhancement products or modifications may not be covered under your vehicle warranty.

Originally Posted by 2015 GM Warranty

Original Equipment Alterations

This warranty does not cover any damage or failure resulting from modification or alteration to the vehicle's original equipment as manufactured or assembled by General Motors. Examples of the types of alterations that would not be covered include cutting, welding, or disconnecting of the vehicle's original equipment parts and components.

Additionally, General Motors does not warranty non-GM parts, calibrations, and/or software modifications. The use of parts, control module calibrations, software modifications, and/or any other alterations not issued through General Motors will void the warranty coverage for those components that are damaged or otherwise affected by the installation of the non-GM part, control module calibration, software modification, and/or other alteration.

The only exception is that non-GM parts labeled “Certified to EPA Standards” are covered by the Federal Emissions Performance Warranty.

[Tenring]

Originally Posted by Jeff1981

Dodge Challenger's are pretty great cars also...

I was just on their web site having a look.......

[songsj]

I keep my cars bone stock until at least until the warranty is up. I just don't need the grief.
There may be more to this story than we are hearing however unless you have an extra 10k hanging around you don't need, you may want to get those mods off of your car. Sure many have had their cars worked on under warranty with mods installed but do you really want to take the chance that you'll be the unlucky sob they decide to make an example out of? It's up to you but for me I think not.

[GetYouOne]

Since GM is a big supporter of this site and Camarofest and since majority of the petition originated from this site do u think GM puffed their chest out and threatened to stop their support?

Like u guys said something doesn't add up. I hope dude gets his car back up and running.

[scandata]

Originally Posted by Jackass

Will it be a cleanup case that all or most of the users will be removing it from their cars , specially the ones that care to keep and still are under the GM warranty time/mileage ?

I think what most will take away from this is to remove mods before bringing it to the shop.

[scandata]

Originally Posted by qcman

But the OP clearly stated he was up Schits Creek on his own. I would think he would have said sorry I can't comment further. I think he got screwed and tatooed

Oh, you mean they made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

[Soybeanrice]

Originally Posted by Jeff1981

Dodge Challenger's are pretty great cars also...

Did I miss something? I thought a 1lt fifth gen could beat a v8 challenger cause they're so heavy.

[Welker2]

Originally Posted by Jackass

So , what happen with the Magnusen / vs GM thing , why it didn't kick in and worked like it suppose to work ?
I'm just curious about that , and on the same token , what's going to happen with all the manufcters /buyers/users that have those catch cans installed
Will it be a cleanup case that all or most of the users will be removing it from their cars , specially the ones that care to keep and still are under the GM warranty time/mileage ?

It didn't kick in because it only addresses one for one replacement of OEM parts with second party/after market parts. It does not cover modifications that add/introduce new parts/systems.