Who has a Kenne Bell???

[2010SSRSM6]

Originally Posted by SS hp

I did not realize I would spark such emotions over a Supercharger question but i guess i should have counted on it from my Corvette Forum days.

We are all passionate of our rides and what we do to them, especially if we are sinking our hard earned Pay-$$$-Check into them. I hope this thread continues with such spirited but respectful debate and at the same time backed up with data/fact.

Please remember when posting your recommendations that it is a L99, i had to go with an Auto Tran due to nerve damage in both legs, believe me I would prefer a stick. I want to add 200 rwhp between a cam and supercharger without worrying about my susspension breaking and "No" I'm Not Going To The Track, those days are over.
I have the Speed Kit 2 Single Adjustable suspension kit by Detroit Speed Inc. which includes...
The Speed kit 2 includes:
• Front Anti-Roll Bar
• Front Coilover Conversion Kit (Street)
• Front Anti-Roll Bar End Link Kit
• Caster Kit
• Adjustable Toe Link Kit
• Rear Anti Roll Bar
• Rear Coilover Conversion Kit

With that said I guess I should have started this thread with asking what cam would go best with either a KB or Maggi Heartbeat. i'm looking at the following cam (see link) but am unsure if it will give me that nice lope sound/feel that I miss so much that I had in my Corvette.
http://www.texas-speed.com/p-4047-pr...t-package.aspx

The one thing that concerns me about the KB is support, it seems that your on your own and that's one place i do not want to be. Yes I love the way the KB looks under the hood but that's last on my priority list. I do like the "more power for less boost" & what appears to be a cooler running SC kit KB claims.

So lets move forward keeping the entire package in mind, not just the Supercharger. I humbly appreciate all of your collective knowledge, personal experience and time you give to my/this post.

Please feel free to PM me if you like. &

Are you wanting to keep VVT or are you doing the LS3 conversion?

If you are wanting to keep the VVT aspect, Ryan Dunn has a popular cam and can provide tuning as well. Check the drag racing thread to see what he's done with his car and others that are using it.

You can hear different videos as well to hear the lope.




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[Unreal]

Car pegging IATs was actually trying to make power. Made 820rwhp on a KB 3.6LC pegging the IATs out. It was a 427LSX setup. Had to have a custom belt setup made, custom pulleys, custom heat exchanger, 5 gallon ice box in trunk, etc etc. Other one was a C5 vette setup, also trying to make 700+rwhp. They both sold their blowers, went centris, and easily hit their goals (and gained over 200rwhp). C5 (corvette) had the same issues. Would peg out the IATs. Made 550rwhp when cold but following pulls were 420-430 and would take forever to get back.

Talk to the person who started this crap, LSX Camaro who is a 30+ year GM tech that does a TON of blower installs. He was the one who initially suggested the other blowers. He has had the same experience with KBs. Talk to a lot of the big name shops. These are just made up rumors and BS. Call Premier in Utah and talk to Heath/Brock about Stonys KB setup if you think I'm full of it. They can fill you in. Call Joe@CPR, Matt@FSP, Josh@Starkweather, Bret@RKT, Ted@Jannety etc etc and they will all tell you very similar stories.


Your comparing your out of the box low HP build and I'm talking about 700+rwhp setups. Go push your blower up into that range then report back. You say your trying to stop my BS but all I did was say I like other PD blowers more and you flipped the hell out. So my opinion based on real world data and experience is what it is.

One thing to learn in this industry is never believe the claims of a website of the manufacturer. If the only place you can find KBs making big power is on their own site, that says something.

So you have a KB blower that makes as much power as a NA heads/cam setup? Congrats, that is awesome and shows how amazing the blower is.

It goes back to what I keep saying, if you want 500-600rwhp, and don't mind paying extra for the looks (if a box on top is your thing) then go for it. It isn't a bad blower for <600-650rwhp. That being said, I would still take any of the other blowers over it for the price, service, support, accessories, reliability. The fact that there are hundreds of owners and hundreds of shops that sell and install LSA/Whipple/Maggie is a HUGE advantage.

SS HP, if all you want is another 100-150rwhp, and like the looks of the KB, go for it. If you want performance and ability.

So yes, I stand by my statement that the Heartbeat and LSA are superior blowers that will get you to your goals and have zero issues at a lower cost of entry.

[CamaroDreams76]

[UNRIVALED SS]

7 PSI . 13 degree over ambient. Hmmmm?

I'm all about learning somthing. You tune and turn your own wrench. Turn that thing up to about 12 PSI and show us all what it can do. They all get hot when they compress air. Lets see some real KENNY BELL efficiency.

[cc-rider]

Originally Posted by UNRIVALED SS

7 PSI . 13 degree over ambient. Hmmmm?

I'm all about learning somthing. You tune and turn your own wrench. Turn that thing up to about 12 PSI and show us all what it can do. They all get hot when they compress air. Lets see some real KENNY BELL efficiency.

You better read my post again. Or even look at the data for that matter. Was not 13 degrees over ambient. It was a 13 degree rise in IAT over the 1/4 mile run. It runs on average 30-40 over ambient.

[cc-rider]

Originally Posted by Unreal

Car pegging IATs was actually trying to make power. Made 820rwhp on a KB 3.6LC pegging the IATs out. It was a 427LSX setup. Had to have a custom belt setup made, custom pulleys, custom heat exchanger, 5 gallon ice box in trunk, etc etc. Other one was a C5 vette setup, also trying to make 700+rwhp. They both sold their blowers, went centris, and easily hit their goals (and gained over 200rwhp). C5 (corvette) had the same issues. Would peg out the IATs. Made 550rwhp when cold but following pulls were 420-430 and would take forever to get back.

Talk to the person who started this crap, LSX Camaro who is a 30+ year GM tech that does a TON of blower installs. He was the one who initially suggested the other blowers. He has had the same experience with KBs. Talk to a lot of the big name shops. These are just made up rumors and BS. Call Premier in Utah and talk to Heath/Brock about Stonys KB setup if you think I'm full of it. They can fill you in. Call Joe@CPR, Matt@FSP, Josh@Starkweather, Bret@RKT, Ted@Jannety etc etc and they will all tell you very similar stories.


Your comparing your out of the box low HP build and I'm talking about 700+rwhp setups. Go push your blower up into that range then report back. You say your trying to stop my BS but all I did was say I like other PD blowers more and you flipped the hell out. So my opinion based on real world data and experience is what it is.

One thing to learn in this industry is never believe the claims of a website of the manufacturer. If the only place you can find KBs making big power is on their own site, that says something.

So you have a KB blower that makes as much power as a NA heads/cam setup? Congrats, that is awesome and shows how amazing the blower is.

It goes back to what I keep saying, if you want 500-600rwhp, and don't mind paying extra for the looks (if a box on top is your thing) then go for it. It isn't a bad blower for <600-650rwhp. That being said, I would still take any of the other blowers over it for the price, service, support, accessories, reliability. The fact that there are hundreds of owners and hundreds of shops that sell and install LSA/Whipple/Maggie is a HUGE advantage.

SS HP, if all you want is another 100-150rwhp, and like the looks of the KB, go for it. If you want performance and ability.

So yes, I stand by my statement that the Heartbeat and LSA are superior blowers that will get you to your goals and have zero issues at a lower cost of entry.

Well Nick, I don't think the OP was ever talking about making 800 hp was he???? Why the hell do you feel the need to chime in on every single thread and assume everyone is out to make 800 hp?

Perhaps all these other blowers can magically compress air without heat and only the Kenne Bell makes excessive heat when pushed. Or maybe they use some special alloy in the intercooler that was mined on Mars and has majical cooling properties. Is that the case??

And now you guys are trying to shit on me because I'm ONLY making power in the 500-600 hp range. Well that's right gentlemen. That's all I'm doing for now. And it's simply one data point. At 7-8 psi (where most people run) the Kenne Bell runs nice and cool. That's all I can speak to right now. But I believe that my data and experiences here are more relevant to the OP than all your stories of heat demon Kenne Bell builds.

[CobraR]

Reality is, if there is any idea of making more than 550-600 rwhp in the future, go with a turbo or centrifugal setup. There is so much money in my Magnuson TVS2300 to make 700+ rw, could of bought a F1R/X or Twin turbo kit from APS.

The low end torque is a lot of fun, makes the car pull hard right off the bat, but they are all so limited once trying to make power.

The cost of the blower
8 Rib belt kit 1100.00
Blower spacers to help keep it cool 350.00
Ported lower to help keep it cool 350.00
Cog rear kit (wont need it with heartbeat or whipple) 400.00
Ported snout to open it to 102mm, think that was 600-800 since I kept my stock one. Cant even use it because of P2101/P1516 issue closing the throttle body.
Ice tank, by the time the lines are all run 300-400

And I'm maxed out at this point. Only saving grace for me, the blower was on the car when I bought it with the 8 Rib kit and ported lower.

[cc-rider]

Originally Posted by AGP Turbo

cc, your science needs some serious help. Of course you don't have any heat problems, you're only make 525whp. You aren't pushing enough air to hardly even heat it. You aren't busting any myths with your datalogs. You seem to have zero actual experience in any of these matters but you keep trying to speak from a position of authority. What first hand experience do you actually have? Have you ever had an 800whp car, 1000, 1200? What's the most power you've ever pushed a 2.8L KB to? What other FI systems have you owned, tuned or been hands on involved with?
You find anyone who makes 800whp in a Camaro5 with the 2.8L KB and let's see what they have to say about all the problems.

The logic tree as I see it is LSA blower first, since it's cheap and all the PD blowers make about the same max power on these cars. It is a bit ugly with the water lines right in the front but so does the heartbeat etc. The KB case itself is great looking, but all the external things hanging off it with the huge cast elbow for the rear entry, can't really say that looks any better. Very cluttered.

More high class stuff from our great vendor AGP Turbo. You got it bud, I'm only pushing 575ish right now. No, I've never built 800 or 1000 hp cars. That's not my goal. Don't think that is the OP's goal either...but he can respond to that. I must have missed the message that I should be ashamed of myself because I'm not pushing my blower and car to its limits...

You guys just HATE the fact that there is a happy Kenne Bell owner out there. It's just incredible.

[cc-rider]

Originally Posted by CobraR

Reality is, if there is any idea of making more than 550-600 rwhp in the future, go with a turbo or centrifugal setup. There is so much money in my Magnuson TVS2300 to make 700+ rw, could of bought a F1R/X or Twin turbo kit from APS.

The low end torque is a lot of fun, makes the car pull hard right off the bat, but they are all so limited once trying to make power.

The cost of the blower
8 Rib belt kit 1100.00
Blower spacers to help keep it cool 350.00
Ported lower to help keep it cool 350.00
Cog rear kit (wont need it with heartbeat or whipple) 400.00
Ported snout to open it to 102mm, think that was 600-800 since I kept my stock one. Cant even use it because of P2101/P1516 issue closing the throttle body.
Ice tank, by the time the lines are all run 300-400

And I'm maxed out at this point. Only saving grace for me, the blower was on the car when I bought it with the 8 Rib kit and ported lower.

Great post. And thank you for sharing that. All blowers need investment to be pushed hard. ALL OF THEM.

I would agree 100%...if you want huge top end power numbers then you should go for a turbo or centri. But PD blowers make great street machines and have held their own in all sorts of real world racing.

[Unreal]

All I did was agree with Chris that LSA or HB are better choices. In our experience, along with TONS of people I know, they all agree. You are the one that flipped the hell out. My experience with KB has not been positive. If you actually read, you can see I've said it time and time again that it is a fine blower for 500-600rwhp, but if that is all you want to make, I would save the money and get one of the others that works just as well at a lower entry cost, with better support.

The only reason 800+ setups were brought into it is because you called all my experience BS and made up, which it is far from that. Goes back to what I'm saying, for 500-600rwhp it is a decent choice if the look/being different is worth it to you, but there are other choices that will do it just fine that I prefer.

Yes all PD blowers need a lot of work to make power. The KB just seems to have more issues when being pushed past 600 than the others. It goes back to I wouldn't recommend any PD blower for anyone going past 600rwhp, but that is a different argument. I would take a KB over an Eforce. The eforce blowers and their runner/IC design is far more limiting.

The 3.6 car

[SS hp]

Originally Posted by 2010SSRSM6

Are you wanting to keep VVT or are you doing the LS3 conversion?

If you are wanting to keep the VVT aspect, Ryan Dunn has a popular cam and can provide tuning as well. Check the drag racing thread to see what he's done with his car and others that are using it.

You can hear different videos as well to hear the lope.




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I have not made my mind up but correct me if I am wrong.

PROS
1. The benefit in keeping the VVT is that the high-rpm power wont sacrifice my bottom-end torque.

2. For my desired goal there are a few really good aftermarket VVT Cams now that will give me the lope i'm looking for.

3. Keeping the VVT technology in play as it was meant to be.

CONS
1. Finding a good VVT experienced tuner.

2. L99 to LS3 Conversion cost more

Feedback appreciated

[2010SSRSM6]

Originally Posted by SS hp

I have not made my mind up but correct me if I am wrong.

PROS
1. The benefit in keeping the VVT is that the high-rpm power wont sacrifice my bottom-end torque.

2. For my desired goal there are a few really good aftermarket VVT Cams now that will give me the lope i'm looking for.

3. Keeping the VVT technology in play as it was meant to be.

CONS
1. Finding a good VVT experienced tuner.

2. L99 to LS3 Conversion cost more

Feedback appreciated

Contact Ryan at GPI. He's done a bunch of work with guys wanting to keep VVT and can give you all the answers you need to make the right decision.

[UNRIVALED SS]

Originally Posted by cc-rider

You better read my post again. Or even look at the data for that matter. Was not 13 degrees over ambient. It was a 13 degree rise in IAT over the 1/4 mile run. It runs on average 30-40 over ambient.

Yes your right I didn't really pay any attention to it. Wasn't that impressive. I've always thought they were crap honestly but after reading all this I've certainly learned my lesson.

[CamaroDreams76]

This thread is great. Did not disappoint since I've been eating my popcorn