07-16-2016, 11:15 AM | #1 |
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Help me get a straight answer on Hawk HPS / PC
So after searching through years of posts, I've come to this realization....
Hawk HPS provide better performance than the stock pads and have 50% or more less brake dust......BUT there are a large number of users complaining about super high pitch noises. Some have resolved the issue by doing Hawk's bedding procedure, while others have not. Hawk CP 50% of people report a performance gain over stock while the other 50% report more fade. Almost all report little to no brake dust. My main reason for new pads is brake dust. After litterally 5 miles of driving my entire rear end is covered in brake dust. I mean covered. Having a white car makes it even worse. Initially my thought was to go with the CP pads, but I don't want to lose any braking performance. Sure i'll have 0 brake dust, but i'll need a new front bumper IF....the HPS pads greatly reduce the brake dust so I can go a few days or a week without having to wash the car I'll be happy. Although that's only if I don't have to sounds like a bus when stopping. Also I have less than 6k miles on my car and if possible would like to just swap the pads and leave the rotors as is. Does anyone have any info regarding this as well? Side note.....I'm not stuck on Hawk pads, they just seem to be what everyone talks about. Thanks in advance everyone!!
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07-19-2016, 11:44 AM | #2 |
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You can use your stock rotors and get new pads. I did this and you'll have to sand the rotors with 130 grit sandpaper and clean them really good (instructions on this came with my Hawk HPS pads). I too chose Hawk HPS to get lower brake dust. Overall, I am not satisfied. I suffer from the slow speed squeak (I have a post on here complaining about it) and while the break dust is definitely less than stock it does not offset the squeal in my opinion. I've grown used to the noise unfortunately, but if I had the chance to do this again I would definitely not go with Hawk HPS pads and would almost surely do more research for another brand.
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07-19-2016, 12:03 PM | #3 |
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I swapped pads and left stock rotors around 4K miles with no issues. No stopping issues or noises. Brake dust went WAY down
Ryan
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07-19-2016, 12:42 PM | #4 |
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Here's a couple of questions for you. Do you have an automatic or manual transmission and what are your normal driving habits like? I ask because while I know the stock pads do generate some dust I feel that driving habits and transmission can play a role in this.
By driving habits I mean looking farther ahead and letting off the gas sooner to coast down to slower speeds before having to brake as much. I always try to leave at least 3 or 4 car lengths between me and the car in front so I'm not panic stopping all the time and I read the traffic ahead of them to know when I'll actually have to stop/slow down. I also use downshifting with my manual trans to help slow me down so I don't need to step on the brakes as hard. Downshifting also gives me practice on heel/toe rev matching for down shifts. So I find I can actually go for quite a while without the wheels getting too dirty from brake dust because I'm not waiting until the last few hundred feet to stop from full speed all the time. Even with an Auto trans I know they have the paddle shifters so you could use manual control if you are in a lot of traffic so you don't have to ride the brakes as much. Every little bit of time you can spend not using the brakes will help. I'm not saying that I'm assuming you are a person that tail gates the person in front of you or anything or always waits until the last minute and stops hard all the time. I don't know anything about your driving style. I'm just trying to point out that your driving habits can play a role in how much brake dust you generate. The more often you are on the brakes and the more pedal pressure you apply each time you apply the brakes, the more brake dust you are going to generate.
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07-19-2016, 03:23 PM | #5 | |
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I figured I'd take the risk and see what happens. I have seen a lot of posts claiming the issue fixed itself after the bedding process and by properly lubricating everything.
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07-19-2016, 03:27 PM | #6 | |
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Next year i'd like to do HPDE so i figured these would be the best pads. Honestly I can deal with some brake dust, or some noise, but its the extremes that kill me. Literally after driving the car for....10 miles you could write your name in the car.
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07-19-2016, 03:28 PM | #7 |
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Did you go with the HPS pads? Do you have any noise?
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07-19-2016, 07:16 PM | #9 |
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Less dust means less stop... Hope that clears some confusion...
Hawk HPS are not a track pad. They are not a motorsports pad of any kind. Beware of danger. The brand does make pads with proper heat ranges for a variety of motorsports.
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07-22-2016, 07:52 AM | #10 |
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Not to say you're wrong, but your comment basically means the claims that these pads produce less dust and provide 20-30% more braking power over stock brakes is false.
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07-22-2016, 10:12 AM | #11 | |
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Track pads squeal like a stuck pig and create piles of dust as though Pig Pen from Peanuts was there. This is because a track pad is so hard. More friction, more heat, more dust, more stopping power. |
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07-23-2016, 10:45 AM | #12 | |
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Even then 20-30% better braking (I don't even know what that means to be fair sounds very advertisy and snake oily) is not a track pad with the proper heat range for motorsports. Is 20-30% mean more longevity on pad? It drops 20-30% of my braking distance? It handles heat 20-30% better? It's kind of confusing. LESS DUST MEANS LESS STOP. Spread the message spread the safety revolution. happy Saturday
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07-27-2016, 08:47 PM | #13 |
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Could it be that they just produce brake dust that doesn't stick to your car/wheels?
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