Trimming the fat...

[BK]

Originally Posted by jrhaus76

Doesn't he know fat bottom girls make the rockin world go 'round?

What is your weight RatedZ?

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Originally Posted by BK

What is your weight RatedZ?

I could deal to shed a few pounds, and I've been working on it. I weigh 223.5 and I'm 5'11. I've been working on losing weight.

What I'd like to know is when the turned into a pissing war, and why. You all need to get over the "pig" comment already. Get a life, really. It's a freakin' car. I'm not attacking your mothers. Get over it. What is this, a forum full of teenie-boppers here? Sorry (not really...) that 75% of you get all butt-hurt when somebody calls your car "overweight." With skin that thin, I wonder how you all make it through daily life.

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Originally Posted by 2SSARME

More like what did you expect? If you go on a camaro forum and insult the car, you're going to be flamed. If you go to a mustang forum and insult the car, you're going to be flamed.

Want me to continue?

Yeah, I'd like you to continue. I've been to the Mustang forums, and I've seen plenty of comments from not only myself but Mustang loyalists that are mature enough to recognize the advantages and disadvantages of their cars; the main one being the Camaro's 111 hp advantage, but they also recognize that their Mustangs are lighter and handle better than a new Camaro. All cars have faults, it's just a matter of which ones you're able to live with.

Now, quit crying.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by RatedZ

I could deal to shed a few pounds, and I've been working on it. I weigh 223.5 and I'm 5'11. I've been working on losing weight.

What I'd like to know is when the turned into a pissing war, and why. You all need to get over the "pig" comment already. Get a life, really. It's a freakin' car. I'm not attacking your mothers. Get over it. What is this, a forum full of teenie-boppers here? Sorry (not really...) that 75% of you get all butt-hurt when somebody calls your car "overweight." With skin that thin, I wonder how you all make it through daily life.

There are alot of very passionate people that think of cars as more than just a car. What are you comparing it to that it is "overweight"?

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Originally Posted by shnomac77

There are alot of very passionate people that think of cars as more than just a car. What are you comparing it to that it is "overweight"?

What do you mean, "what am I comparing it to?" It weighs 3900 lbs. I could compare it to a 1966 Impala, a 1971 Caprice, etc. And if they think of their cars as "more than just cars," as in, thinking of them as people, they need their heads checked. I love my Camaro just as much as the next guy, but I'm not going to cry if somebody calls it "heavy" or a "pig."

[CamaroFemme]

Originally Posted by RatedZ

I could deal to shed a few pounds, and I've been working on it. I weigh 223.5 and I'm 5'11. I've been working on losing weight.

What I'd like to know is when the turned into a pissing war, and why. You all need to get over the "pig" comment already. Get a life, really. It's a freakin' car. I'm not attacking your mothers. Get over it. What is this, a forum full of teenie-boppers here? Sorry (not really...) that 75% of you get all butt-hurt when somebody calls your car "overweight." With skin that thin, I wonder how you all make it through daily life.

You came to a -Camaro- forum and called the new -Camaro- a pig (all while asking advice on how to mod it, of course.)

So it sounds to me like YOU'RE the one crying about the response to your rude comments.

[CamaroFemme]

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

If you want constructive feedback from camaro loyalists you don't insult the car. It went pissy because you started the thread with a pissy comment.

Truth.

[CamaroFemme]

Originally Posted by RatedZ

And if they think of their cars as "more than just cars," as in, thinking of them as people, they need their heads checked.

No one has called their Camaro a person.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by RatedZ

What do you mean, "what am I comparing it to?" It weighs 3900 lbs. I could compare it to a 1966 Impala, a 1971 Caprice, etc. And if they think of their cars as "more than just cars," as in, thinking of them as people, they need their heads checked. I love my Camaro just as much as the next guy, but I'm not going to cry if somebody calls it "heavy" or a "pig."

Yes it does way aprox 3900 pounds... That is normal for this class of vehicle. Some are a little lighter and some are a little heavier. Handling is different to everybody... what is it that you dont like about the handling?? Do you drive it hard enough that you notice the understeer? Is it just not responsive enough compared to other vehicles you have had?

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Originally Posted by 2SSARME

I was never crying. I simply stated that you come on Camaro forums with people who love their camaros and you insult their cars then expect all to go well. Go back to your imports if you want girly 500lb cars. As long as the car has the performance to keep up with the weight, which it does, i'm perfectly fine with it.

Now, go back to the mustang forums/

You call "pig" an insult? I insulted your car? Get a freakin' clue, dude. What are you, 20? Now, go brush yourself off, and dress your wounded ego, you poor little injured soul.

Take the time to read, slick. I own a Camaro. I can say anything I want to about'em, whether you approve of it or otherwise. I earned that right when I bought one. My concerns about the weight of the car is a legitimate one. If you don't like it, get out of the thread, because you surely aren't helping me with the information I'm trying to get. I'm not here to argue with some infantile child that gets all butt-hurt when somebody doesn't kiss his ass about his car. You sound like more of a ricer than any ricer I've ever met. In fact, you're worse than an SRT-4 owner.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by CamaroFemme

No one has called their Camaro a person.

In the OP's defense I did say that to some people... insulting their car is like insulting a family member.

Not everyone shares the same amount of passion when it comes to cars.

[Partick]

Originally Posted by CamaroFemme

You came to a -Camaro- forum and called the new -Camaro- a pig (all while asking advice on how to mod it, of course.)

So it sounds to me like YOU'RE the one crying about the response to your rude comments.

X2 - I don't hear anyone crying but U. It's got nothing to do with thin skin, teenyboppers or whatever other belittling terms you blabbered. There were people offering sound information that you were predisposed to disagreement with so the "pissing match" was started and perpetuated by none other than yourself.

We get it, the car is heavy and you don't believe there is anything that can be done to fix it. So go away already! Peace out

[MrIcky]

My honest take on the weight:

GM took a no compromise approach in sticking as close to the concept in appearance as pausible. It worked and the car is stunning for it.

However the trick is that the concept had a very low cockpit with extravagantly flaired 'hips'. In order to keep those proportions right and have a car that real people would fit in required a fairly large platform.

Large platforms = more weight. It's that simple to me- it's partially new regulations, but really- in order to not compromise on the artistic design component required some compromise on the weight component. I think this was successful. GM saw that you didn't want just a new Camaro, you wanted that concepts design.

If you look at the Mustang you can see that the design allowed for a higher greenhouse. So with the higher greenhouse relative to the car, you could have a smaller overall car that people will fit into. So you could probably pretty accurately say that function followed form.

You can argue about numbers all day, but really as long as your performance is at least some acceptable level-then it all comes down to design. For instance, numbers aside I'd rather have a Challenger RT than a Mustang because of style. It performs with enough vigor that I can look at the design. I like the Camaros styling even better and the numbers are the dressing on top. The fact cars like the Mustang may handle a little better doesn't make a bit of difference to me as long as the Camaro is competitive.

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Originally Posted by shnomac77

Yes it does way aprox 3900 pounds... That is normal for this class of vehicle. Some are a little lighter and some are a little heavier. Handling is different to everybody... what is it that you dont like about the handling?? Do you drive it hard enough that you notice the understeer? Is it just not responsive enough compared to other vehicles you have had?

Correct on all accounts. I drove one and felt the steering was numb. Is it as responsive as all of the cars I've owned? Not at all. It's not as responsive as all of the cars I've ever driven, either. Do I expect it to handle like an STi? Absolutely not. That would be ridiculous to even ponder the thought. Do I expect it to feel and handle as well as my '94 B4C? Absolutely.

You can throw the fanciest suspension on the heaviest of cars, and while it may improve the handling, it's not going to mask the weight of a heavy car.