Mustangs................

[len56]

I need to see the 0-60's.... NOW!!!!!

:/

(the mustang will be us... the v8 with the same amount of power beat us :/)

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by jnewberr2ssrs

I already commented on this thread but have given it more thought and we really should not be worried that Ford is getting its stuff together in terms of performance...Like I said before, competition is awesome and we all share a common passion...

That being said...What can GM do in response for the 2011 model year if it's really worried about a now solid competition? (Sorry Mustang guys I'm not saying that the '10 Mustang is crap I'm just saying that in the end the Camaro outperformed this year [yes, except for weight...but all things still considered the numbers are out there]...I'm not going to argue about to what significance or degree, just that this year the Camaro did outperform)...The 2011 Mustang really does look like solid competition so it'll be very interesting...But still, what might GM do in response to solid competition?

Well let's take for example what Ford did in the short run (1 model year solution...2010) with the GT...They took the Bullitt Mustang options and carried them over to the GT to bump up the performance (cold air intake, computer retune, and gears) to gain 15 horsepower...

In the short term, GM could just as easily get it's stuff together with GMPP and start offering packages like this from the factory...Sure they won't be drastic increases (just like the power gain from the '09 to '10 Mustang GT), but say we add even 15 horsepower to the LS3 (441 horsepower)...That'll give a little bump at least and I think it would make it pretty interesting (that little bump did make the Mustang a little livelier so I'd be interested to see what it could do to the Camaro SS...But, yes, whoever it was that mentioned the Law of Diminishing Returns is absolutely right...That does apply. But still, it would be something)

Don't hate on the Mustangs so much guys...Yes the whole pony car era did begin with the Mustang and competition is part of the American spirit...It drives us to become better, leaner, faster, or whatever the competition calls for. So without the Mustang we wouldn't be getting newer, cooler features in years to come...

It definitely does feel like the 60's and 70's again...Wait a second...I'm only 21 so I wasn't around hahahaha But you get my point...Very cool to see the "pony car wars" are back in swing lol Very cool!

That's my take on things and I will say it again...I absolutely love my SS and couldn't have asked for more in a car! The first time I saw my car it was a once in a lifetime experience/feeling and I couldn't have asked for more honestly! I love it and I can't wait to drive it again... I'm out of the country and won't be back for a while... :(

See that's the kind of fact's that most of the fanboy's leave out. You own a Camaro but give credit where it is do.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by syr74

I'm curious to see how GM responds myself. Camaro SS is just barely beating the gas guzzler demon right now so the old strategy of throwing a bigger cam or a couple more cubes into the mix obviously wont be on the table. And while a fifth gen small-block has been in the rumor mill for some time now we know that engine wont be ready for the 2011MY and it seems unlikely for 2012. That means GM will have to answer with the LS3 or a derivative thereof, if they answer at all on the V8 hp front anytime soon. If they do answer, it will require some real thought this time 'round so things could get interesting.

As for the V6 Camaro, the LLT is really a relatively new beast so we really don't know what that mill has left in reserves. If I'm not mistaken the basic design can be taken out to 4.0L, but that seems likely to cost the general a mpg or two so I am unsure they will want to go that route. Of course, if the General happened to be making some tweaks in the name of fuel economy anyway...something which is rumored to be happening since that engine is oh so close to 30mpg....GM could potentially find a way to bump up the cubes and offset any penalty in fuel economy with those tweaks and find their power increase without paying a penalty at the pump. Of course, that would mean giving up on the magical 30mpg mark...everything is a trade off.

Good times.

I don't think there will be much of a response at all. The Camaro is a lot of car for the money already. MPGs, gass guzzler tax, still have to be taken into account. Also I think they will want to sort out the suspension issues before trying to win a horsepower war. FORD will just even up the odds is all.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Edit - Forget it. I just realized I'm trying to debate someone who won't even acknowledge reality, about a car that doesn't exist.

That's right so remember it, Just like when the Camaro did'nt exist for 8 year's.

[AZCamaroFan]

I'm amazed the ford is actually doing something to the mustang, since they did nothing for years and years. But when i read someone talk about competion, and Chevy responding.....there's nothing Chevy can do. There not adding even more power to the
V6, (350hp base engine? yeah right) and the car weighs a lot more. It's screwed. They're backed into a corner because of the weight.

[chevys]

Originally Posted by syr74

315hp vs 304hp is a small but meaningful difference of 11hp even though the GM piece peaks 150rpm higher which does give the GM a bit more room to breath. Small advantage to Ford. And, while the 2ft-lbs of torque difference doesn't look like much initially upon closer inspection you'll see that the GM unit hits that peak at 5200rpm while the 3.7L Ford hits it at 3500rpm. A meaningful advantage to Ford, particularly in terms of low and mid range acceleration. Factor in the reality that the Mustang will weigh an easy 300lb less than the Camaro and, well, you have an advantage that exacerbates the two advantages already mentioned above.

If these power figures make it all the way through SAE certification, and to be fair sometimes they don't, the power difference is going to feel more like 50hp than 11hp. Put more plainly, odds are pretty good the 2011 V6 Mustang will be almost as fast as the current GT model. Absolutely no question, a car with specs like those would be a very solid, high 13 second vehicle in almost any drivers hands. A good pilot could almost certainly drive a vehicle with a power to weight ratio like the one above to mid 13's. That is flat out moving, pure and simple.

Excellent post. Its yet to be seen if the Mustang will get the power thats in the rumor mills if they do I want to thank GM for the good competition. I think the V6 Camaro is one of the best buys out there and Im a V8 guy pretty much all the way. Now, the Mustang 3.7 could be a terrific bargain. It seems to be fairly easy for everybody to add power but I dont see anybody shedding weight and that will be the down side of the Camaro. Its there and its not going away. I truly hope the Mustang does not end up the same way. FWIW, I think the Mustang is too heavy also.

On paper, the V6 stang with what we think we know will be a great performer. I almost wonder if Ford did not purposely wait to see what Gm had before they brought out the 3.7 and 5.0. Who knows but these are the good old days and I owned a few 60's cars and they are junk compared to what we have today.

One more thing. There is constant bickering here and elsewhere about the Ford Vs Chevy thing and it will go on till the end of time as long as there is a Ford and Chevy around to buy. Most of it is in good fun and some take it to the extreme. My second choice is a Camaro over a Mustang. At the end of the day, we are all brothers and the real enemy is the ricers.

[TJ91]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Ok, so the Mustang "catches up" with a decent V6 (slightly larger in displacement mind you which is nearly the result of the 11 hp). Being a smaller car, this should be a pretty hot package.

This is what makes this segment so great. You knew Ford had to respond with something and now they have.

Next will be can Chrysler/Fiat respond..............and what will GM do next

Now the fun begins. And mind you this is all in a world of CAFE and emissions regulations.

One would almost think it was the 60's again.

This is how everyone should see this, not a debate or time to kill eachother verbally. We should be proud that our DOMESTIC brands are stepping in the right direction.
Cant wait to see what GM will do for the 2012 year. Going to be nice!

[mike25]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

Seems to me like you can't accept facts.

i accept them quite well actually. however..the way you are going about it(specifically the other guy i qouted)...is what i consider trolling...repeating the same things over and over and talking up the mustang sounds like a troll to me...

[mike25]

Originally Posted by meanmike

Yep that's what I do. I have never started the BS I just set you people straight and if you cant handle that well then just about it. I didn't come in claiming this or that I have only pointed out the FACT'S to you fanboy's I'm not here to cause problem's but I WILL NOT say nothing while you people post false information. Apparently you cant handle the truth.

I think you need to go back and see exactly who started posting false comment's before you accuse me of anything oh wait that's all you fanboy's can do. I am not loyal to GM or Ford I will defend either to the end with truthfull information. In fact this is my first Ford ever.

no fanboii here....btw every post you have made is about how great the stang is...thats fine..i know its an awesome car that has earned its heritage...but i dont need to read every post you make saying how great it is...anyways im glad that the mustang is answering like this...more aftermarket development will be sure to ensue for us v6's

[97one]

Originally Posted by 13

^ how normal, none misleading graphs should look like...

is that really that big of a difference?

i love the original graph though.. even the colors.. camaros in pink and mustangs in red..

If we only had 4 more HP it would be less of a difference........

[meanmike]

:troll: For I will grow big and eat you.

[Georgie]

the graph is utterly stupid. the 2lbs is nothing to write home about. the scale on jalopnik's graph is obviously made to help hysteria, what media source doesn't try to stir the pot anyway? what will make the difference is the whole package of the car, not small increments of hp/tq imo

[VASCAR2]

One other point is Ford rarely puts a very high speed limiter in their cars. The V-6 2010 Camaro is speed limited to 155 MPH with the right tires. Even the 4.6 Ford Mustang GT won't go that high. The GT 500 has a higher top speed but your talking way more money. I wouldn't be surprised if GM doesn't offer a Z28 or something to compete with Fords track pack. I think a hopped up V-6 with extra handling with lighter weight like the 305 RS of old would be cool. I ordered the 1LT with the 19" Polished aluminum wheels. By the way I have it figured it will the lightest 2010 Camaro and maybe with headers and CAI it will hold its own against any V6 mustang. With the new cafe standards of 35 + MPG all of these cars might be forced out of production. This is one reason I'm buying now because in a couple of years they may not be available. I remember what happened to the sport cars in the mid 70's. :( The higher MPG they require the more expensive its going to be and harder to obtain on production cars.

[levi1922]

I drove a 2010 1LT yesterday, and i was ammazed, much more than i was when i drove a 2010 mustang V6, not because of the power only, but because of the overall feel of the car, i love the so called awkward steering wheel, i loved how the tires on the road where a mere whistle, i loved how the exhaust was silent at cruise, then came to life when you pressed the pedal down, i also loved the tapshift, and how hard the V6 pulled in 4th, i mean, its a V6!

with all that said, im sure the mustang will have substantial modifications for the new engine, other than just power, so this could get interesting. I wonder if they will leave the engine mounted higher up, "so its easier to work on" -- ford salesman