600hp with super charge vs 600 hp without? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

frenchsquared · 12-23-2016, 04:05 PM

I am going to be selling my 2000 Supercharge C5 corvette after I get my Z28. Its 598 rwhp. Im wondering how a 500 hp base z will feel compared to it and I am wondering how 600hp none supercharged will fell compared to 600 with a super charger.

I know in the top end the super charger pulls harder and longer. I don't know how the non super charged pulls off the line. Never driven 500 or 600 without a power adder.

Anyone had both?
Any thoughts on the difference?

Im sure coming out of the corners will be easier and more powerful at lower RMPS. The vette has to stay over 3,000 RMPS. You drop down to 1,800 or 2,000 and it kills you coming out.

I bought my Z28 yesterday, have not driven it and I wont be able to pick it up till next weekend.

StormTrooperZ28 · 12-23-2016, 05:22 PM

I personally like the all motor LS7 with heads and a cam and LongTubes. That motor never feels sluggish to me, pulls hard all the way to 7k. I also have a Caddy CTS-V Wagon with the supercharged LSA with a few bolts on putting out 630 Hp, at the motor not tires though. And that car does really well too. I'm not a big fan of putting a charger on the LS7 if that is what you are thinking of. The block and cylinders aren't really designed for boost, from what i've read on. Either way you go you will love the new Z28, but agreed it could use a little more power.

Z/28Dan · 12-23-2016, 06:16 PM

I had a M6 ZL1 with a pulley, headers and tune, so around 600rwhp supercharged. I sold it and bought a Z/28 last year and I can say with certainty it felt sloooow. NOT for that reason, but I sold the Z/28 and am now back in a stock A6 ZL1. It feels much better being back in the ZL1 from a power perspective.

That said, there is nothing quite like that LS7 at full song. OMG that thing sounds sweet. Absolute perfection in a well balanced car.

Good luck with your decision. As many around here know, I change Camaros frequently, so next week it may be a COPO!

frenchsquared · 12-23-2016, 08:00 PM

I doubt I will boost the Z... I don't have the money after buying the car. The blower sucks on the race track. I learned that lesson after blowing up an LS1.

Im just looking to see what people feel about the difference.

I still have not driven the car. If it needs more power I will go cam first.

hjdca · 12-23-2016, 09:05 PM

The hand built LS7 feels pretty special because it has alot of cubes and a super light rotating assembly. It has lots of torque down low (cubes) and still pulls hard from 6K to 7K. HP numbers aside, you will really enjoy how it puts down the power -- way different than a supercharger setup and easier to put the right power down in the curves.

The_Raging_Bull · 12-24-2016, 08:50 AM

The old adage is always true in the Z/28 or C6Z06 - there is no replacement for displacement. I have driven the ZR1 and the Gen 5 ZL1....I passed on a 1050RWHP HP A6 ZL1 over my M6 Z06. Its just personal taste to me. And as far as rebuilding an building an engine vs bolt-ons..you can buy a second car for the costs associated with a built engine with all the accoutrements. For me its always been about a 427....now two LS7 427's.
Its only in the last few years we can have anything money can buy HP-wise. I never felt like I needed to have the fastest car in my little corner of the country; along with the inevitable tickets and insurance woes some folks suffer.

Crushinator · 12-24-2016, 09:42 AM

I owned a 700 rwhp Z06, and a 700 rwhp GT500. Both were damn fast cars. Definitely faster in a straight line then my Z/28. But neither made my Z/28 feel slow by any stretch. The Z/28 for all intents and purposes, is a damn fast car in a straight line. It just excels at going faster than anything else through the curves. Put another way, I don't miss the Z06 or Shelby's power, when driving this perfectly balanced Z/28. Although I do admit, it would be fun as hell with another 150 horsepower. I just wouldn't want to sacrifice everything else the Z/28 can do to buy a higher horsepower (other car) that can't touch a Z/28 through to corners.

The biggest problem I've found with owning and driving a car with all that excessive horsepower is that you can't use it on the street. Blowing the tires off at 130 sounds cool as shit, but when it's happening, it scares the living hell out of you.

Watch the video of the new ZL1 side by side with the '14 Z/28 at the ring. The ZL1 blows the Z/28 away on the straights and seems like it's going to run about 30 seconds quicker than the Z/28 at about the 2 minute mark. But by the time the rain starts at 6:00 minutes on the Z/28 video, both cars are dead even. That's a testament to what the Z/28 is capable of.

JUSTIFIED · 12-24-2016, 10:20 AM

It'll boil down to how you like your power delivered....via a supercharger or a 505 NA engine that makes power everywhere and also has substantial torque. When in the right gear, it'll feel plenty fast at WOT and the power is always on tap and delivered in a very usable manner. I had a ZL1 and it was faster (not by much...), but I prefer the way the LS7 delivers power, especially in the lower RPM range. Icing on the cake is that the Z/28 handles like a dream and also gets a ton of respect and admiration on the road because most have never seen one in person.

If there are any dealers nearby that have used one go take a test drive and see how you like it. Remember... you can always add more power! :-)

hjdca · 12-24-2016, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Crushinator

Watch the video of the new ZL1 side by side with the '14 Z/28 at the ring. The ZL1 blows the Z/28 away on the straights and seems like it's going to run about 30 seconds quicker than the Z/28 at about the 2 minute mark. But by the time the rain starts at 6:00 minutes on the Z/28 video, both cars are dead even. That's a testament to what the Z/28 is capable of.

Great suggestion ! It all happens in about 1 minute... The ZL1 has a decent lead around the 4:45 mark, then, the twisties really start and by the 6:10 mark, the Z/28 has reeled in the ZL1 and has a slight lead.... then, the rain starts, then the straight, and it's all over.. The ZL1 hitting 181 on the straight is very impressive... I would guess the Z/28 could maybe hit 170 ? not sure...

frenchsquared · 12-24-2016, 11:33 AM

I know what 600 rwhp is in a straight line. My 300 HP 1996 Z51 is actually more fun to drive on the race track. Its slower but corners so much better. The 2000 Blown C5 is blast to show off and incinerates the tires. I love blowing past Hellcats and GT3's. I know without a doubt the Z28 will kill my C5 vette on a track. Just not on the straight.

I don't want a ZL1. I want the Z28 (pick mine up next weekend). Im just interested in how different it will feel since I have yet to drive one. In a year or two I will probably add a cam, injectors, tune and headers.

I love my Blown C5 for being cool... But honestly it kinda sucks to drive on the street. Its loud as hell, open exhaust. Its pushes like crazy cause the front tires re not wide enough and it will obliterate the tires at any time.

I have had several 12 second 1/4 cars. Building a 9 sec Nova now. So I know exactly how fast it will feel in a 1/4 mile. Kinda eh... Thats easy to fix with some spray if thats all I want.

Just never had a 500hp without an adder. Will be interesting.

I am afraid it will be boring around town. I had a SRT8 Challenger and driven several SS Camaro's. Both suck for power in my book. Again boosted vette... make me abnormal.

JUSTIFIED · 12-24-2016, 03:46 PM

I guess I was half asleep when I read your original post this morning and didn't realize you'd already bought a Z/28. Guess you'll be answering your own question soon enough! :-) Congrats and let us know what you think.

Z427 · 01-03-2017, 09:43 PM

I took my 2015 Z/28 to Redline Motorsports in Pompano Florida and they put together an amazing mod package that takes a tame stock Z/28 to an "old school" cammed beast.
The mods included high flow intake, injectors, roller rockers, pulley, cam, long tube headers, high flow cats and h-pipe. Stock mufflers with fuse pulled to keep valves open. The car has a tune and it increased hp and torque approx 150 and 100 higher than stock.
The car is now your own musical instrument, you can drive mellow and it burbles, and totally "rocks and rolls" when at a light (the cam thing!), or you can lay into it and it just screams bloody murder. You can lay a patch through all gears if you so desire.
This is the only car I must and will keep. For comparison, my other cars this past year have been... 2015 C7 Z06 manual, 2016 Huracan LP580-2, GT3RS, 2017 GT350R and 2016 Focus RS. The Z/28 is truly magical, that is if you like an "old school" muscle car that happens to be a track monster and a dragster combo.
Hope this helps.

Unreal · 01-03-2017, 09:50 PM

Your in colorado. It will feel like a dog. 440rwhp or so, minus the 20-25% for altitude makes it a solid 350rwhp car. So it will feel like a normal SS with some bolt ons at sealvel.

Z427 · 01-03-2017, 09:51 PM

... and I had a 2016 Challenger Hellcat, manual. Not that impressive, was gone in 2 weeks.
The Z is "the" one. Only one drawback, the suspension is a bit rough, and the tires are so grippy that it wants to steer itself. I had the alignment set more aggressively, more toe in and more negative camber, that seemed to make a great difference.

12-23-2016, 04:05 PM	#1
frenchsquared Drives: 15 Z28, 01 Corvette, 96 Corvette Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Colorado Posts: 863	600hp with super charge vs 600 hp without? I am going to be selling my 2000 Supercharge C5 corvette after I get my Z28. Its 598 rwhp. Im wondering how a 500 hp base z will feel compared to it and I am wondering how 600hp none supercharged will fell compared to 600 with a super charger. I know in the top end the super charger pulls harder and longer. I don't know how the non super charged pulls off the line. Never driven 500 or 600 without a power adder. Anyone had both? Any thoughts on the difference? Im sure coming out of the corners will be easier and more powerful at lower RMPS. The vette has to stay over 3,000 RMPS. You drop down to 1,800 or 2,000 and it kills you coming out. I bought my Z28 yesterday, have not driven it and I wont be able to pick it up till next weekend.

12-23-2016, 06:16 PM	#3
Z/28Dan Drives: 2023 1SS 1LE Vivid Orange Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 2,680 View My Garage	I had a M6 ZL1 with a pulley, headers and tune, so around 600rwhp supercharged. I sold it and bought a Z/28 last year and I can say with certainty it felt sloooow. NOT for that reason, but I sold the Z/28 and am now back in a stock A6 ZL1. It feels much better being back in the ZL1 from a power perspective. That said, there is nothing quite like that LS7 at full song. OMG that thing sounds sweet. Absolute perfection in a well balanced car. Good luck with your decision. As many around here know, I change Camaros frequently, so next week it may be a COPO! __________________ There are only so many days in your lifetime. So get out and drive your Camaro... Dan

12-23-2016, 09:05 PM	#5
hjdca Drives: 2015 Z/28 Black Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 342	The hand built LS7 feels pretty special because it has alot of cubes and a super light rotating assembly. It has lots of torque down low (cubes) and still pulls hard from 6K to 7K. HP numbers aside, you will really enjoy how it puts down the power -- way different than a supercharger setup and easier to put the right power down in the curves. __________________ 2015 Black Z/28 70 Chevelle SS396 01 M3, 88 Land Cruiser

12-24-2016, 08:50 AM	#6
The_Raging_Bull Raging Bull Reborn Drives: '09 CGM Z063LZ '15 RH Z/28 #0631 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Broken Arrow OK Posts: 765 View My Garage	The old adage is always true in the Z/28 or C6Z06 - there is no replacement for displacement. I have driven the ZR1 and the Gen 5 ZL1....I passed on a 1050RWHP HP A6 ZL1 over my M6 Z06. Its just personal taste to me. And as far as rebuilding an building an engine vs bolt-ons..you can buy a second car for the costs associated with a built engine with all the accoutrements. For me its always been about a 427....now two LS7 427's. Its only in the last few years we can have anything money can buy HP-wise. I never felt like I needed to have the fastest car in my little corner of the country; along with the inevitable tickets and insurance woes some folks suffer. __________________ Toy 1 '15 RH Z/28 w/AC & Radio S/N 0631 Toy 2 '09 CGM Z06 3LZ My DD: '17 Ford Mustang GT Her DD: '14 F150 Ecoboost 3.5

12-24-2016, 09:42 AM	#7
Crushinator Drives: '15 Z/28 #783 Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: PA Posts: 456 View My Garage	I owned a 700 rwhp Z06, and a 700 rwhp GT500. Both were damn fast cars. Definitely faster in a straight line then my Z/28. But neither made my Z/28 feel slow by any stretch. The Z/28 for all intents and purposes, is a damn fast car in a straight line. It just excels at going faster than anything else through the curves. Put another way, I don't miss the Z06 or Shelby's power, when driving this perfectly balanced Z/28. Although I do admit, it would be fun as hell with another 150 horsepower. I just wouldn't want to sacrifice everything else the Z/28 can do to buy a higher horsepower (other car) that can't touch a Z/28 through to corners. The biggest problem I've found with owning and driving a car with all that excessive horsepower is that you can't use it on the street. Blowing the tires off at 130 sounds cool as shit, but when it's happening, it scares the living hell out of you. Watch the video of the new ZL1 side by side with the '14 Z/28 at the ring. The ZL1 blows the Z/28 away on the straights and seems like it's going to run about 30 seconds quicker than the Z/28 at about the 2 minute mark. But by the time the rain starts at 6:00 minutes on the Z/28 video, both cars are dead even. That's a testament to what the Z/28 is capable of. __________________ 2015 Z/28 A/C and audio

12-23-2016, 05:22 PM	#2
StormTrooperZ28 Drives: 2015 Z28 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Petaluma, CA Posts: 22	I personally like the all motor LS7 with heads and a cam and LongTubes. That motor never feels sluggish to me, pulls hard all the way to 7k. I also have a Caddy CTS-V Wagon with the supercharged LSA with a few bolts on putting out 630 Hp, at the motor not tires though. And that car does really well too. I'm not a big fan of putting a charger on the LS7 if that is what you are thinking of. The block and cylinders aren't really designed for boost, from what i've read on. Either way you go you will love the new Z28, but agreed it could use a little more power.

12-23-2016, 08:00 PM	#4
frenchsquared Drives: 15 Z28, 01 Corvette, 96 Corvette Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Colorado Posts: 863	I doubt I will boost the Z... I don't have the money after buying the car. The blower sucks on the race track. I learned that lesson after blowing up an LS1. Im just looking to see what people feel about the difference. I still have not driven the car. If it needs more power I will go cam first.

12-24-2016, 10:20 AM	#8
JUSTIFIED Drives: 2015 black Z/28 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Texas Posts: 1,081	It'll boil down to how you like your power delivered....via a supercharger or a 505 NA engine that makes power everywhere and also has substantial torque. When in the right gear, it'll feel plenty fast at WOT and the power is always on tap and delivered in a very usable manner. I had a ZL1 and it was faster (not by much...), but I prefer the way the LS7 delivers power, especially in the lower RPM range. Icing on the cake is that the Z/28 handles like a dream and also gets a ton of respect and admiration on the road because most have never seen one in person. If there are any dealers nearby that have used one go take a test drive and see how you like it. Remember... you can always add more power! :-) __________________

12-24-2016, 11:33 AM	#10
frenchsquared Drives: 15 Z28, 01 Corvette, 96 Corvette Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Colorado Posts: 863	I know what 600 rwhp is in a straight line. My 300 HP 1996 Z51 is actually more fun to drive on the race track. Its slower but corners so much better. The 2000 Blown C5 is blast to show off and incinerates the tires. I love blowing past Hellcats and GT3's. I know without a doubt the Z28 will kill my C5 vette on a track. Just not on the straight. I don't want a ZL1. I want the Z28 (pick mine up next weekend). Im just interested in how different it will feel since I have yet to drive one. In a year or two I will probably add a cam, injectors, tune and headers. I love my Blown C5 for being cool... But honestly it kinda sucks to drive on the street. Its loud as hell, open exhaust. Its pushes like crazy cause the front tires re not wide enough and it will obliterate the tires at any time. I have had several 12 second 1/4 cars. Building a 9 sec Nova now. So I know exactly how fast it will feel in a 1/4 mile. Kinda eh... Thats easy to fix with some spray if thats all I want. Just never had a 500hp without an adder. Will be interesting. I am afraid it will be boring around town. I had a SRT8 Challenger and driven several SS Camaro's. Both suck for power in my book. Again boosted vette... make me abnormal.

12-24-2016, 03:46 PM	#11
JUSTIFIED Drives: 2015 black Z/28 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Texas Posts: 1,081	I guess I was half asleep when I read your original post this morning and didn't realize you'd already bought a Z/28. Guess you'll be answering your own question soon enough! :-) Congrats and let us know what you think. __________________

01-03-2017, 09:43 PM	#12
Z427 Drives: 2015 Z/28 Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 7	I took my 2015 Z/28 to Redline Motorsports in Pompano Florida and they put together an amazing mod package that takes a tame stock Z/28 to an "old school" cammed beast. The mods included high flow intake, injectors, roller rockers, pulley, cam, long tube headers, high flow cats and h-pipe. Stock mufflers with fuse pulled to keep valves open. The car has a tune and it increased hp and torque approx 150 and 100 higher than stock. The car is now your own musical instrument, you can drive mellow and it burbles, and totally "rocks and rolls" when at a light (the cam thing!), or you can lay into it and it just screams bloody murder. You can lay a patch through all gears if you so desire. This is the only car I must and will keep. For comparison, my other cars this past year have been... 2015 C7 Z06 manual, 2016 Huracan LP580-2, GT3RS, 2017 GT350R and 2016 Focus RS. The Z/28 is truly magical, that is if you like an "old school" muscle car that happens to be a track monster and a dragster combo. Hope this helps.

01-03-2017, 09:50 PM	#13
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	Your in colorado. It will feel like a dog. 440rwhp or so, minus the 20-25% for altitude makes it a solid 350rwhp car. So it will feel like a normal SS with some bolt ons at sealvel. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

01-03-2017, 09:51 PM	#14
Z427 Drives: 2015 Z/28 Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 7	... and I had a 2016 Challenger Hellcat, manual. Not that impressive, was gone in 2 weeks. The Z is "the" one. Only one drawback, the suspension is a bit rough, and the tires are so grippy that it wants to steer itself. I had the alignment set more aggressively, more toe in and more negative camber, that seemed to make a great difference.