Mustangs................

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by Stew

I don't want to burst your ubble, but GM cars aren't exactly bulletproof, in the last few years I had to replace the transmission in the 00 Grand Prix, just over 100k miles, and my parents Lumina also blew it's transmission with just over 140k, and their Regal, among 1000 other problems, has a transmission on it's way out with well UNDER 100k miles..... My Fords and CHryslers are all much better!

I won't go as far as saying Ford and Chrysler are better but I see where you are going and agree. My LT1 4th Gen Camaro Z28 dropped the 4L60E at ~78K... The rearend went shortly after, airpump, a/c compressor... well actually I could probably name a shorter list of things that didn't fail.

CamaroFemme - Trying to claim Mustangs are junk is just a bad path to go down. GM cars are far from bullet proof... don't worry your honeymoon will be over soon and you will see.

[syr74]

Whatever, I don't feel like wasting time in pointless debate. New rollover standards will start being phased in for 2012, but wont be required until 2016 as reported by the IIHS.

New federal requirements: In April the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration ended numerous delays by unveiling a new rule that doubles the current roof strength requirement (strength-to-weight ratio of 1.5) for vehicles with weight ratings up to 6,000 pounds. Roofs on vehicles with weight ratings 6,000 to 10,000 pounds will be required to withstand a force equal to 1.5 times their unloaded weight. Another requirement is that roofs maintain sufficient headroom during testing. For the first time, the government also will require the same performance on both sides of the roof when tested sequentially. Phase-in begins in September 2012, and all vehicles must comply by September 2016.

you can see it yourself at this link. http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr082009.html

But since Ford began conducting rollover tests on their own accord years ago I'm going out on a limb and saying Mustang may well meet these standards already, particularly since the new standards require a double sided score of 2.5 times the vehicle weight and Mustang already scores a single sided score of 2.8 times vehicle weight.

As for new side impact protection rules you can read about those here or on any of a thousand other sites....

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...a_airbags.html

There is no new mandated equipment, just new standards to meet, and since the Mustang already has a aide impact, head protection system in place in the front and scores extremely well in side impact testing the new standards seem unlikely to change much here. The only thing missing is a rear head airbag which technically isn't actually required, again the car only has to meet the new standards and have some kind of 'system' in place, but which we will probably get anyway. So, assuming Ford does add two rear head airbags, exactly how much do you expect these to weigh? Given your previous posts I can only assume that you believe they will add a great deal.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by syr74

Actually I've posted it on this forum before, but since you initially stated that all cars had to meet these requirements I've got a challenge for you. You show me where cars will have to meet these standards by 2012.

Burn!

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by syr74

Whatever, I don't feel like wasting time in pointless debate. New rollover standards will start being phased in for 2012, but wont be required until 2016 as reported by the IIHS.



you can see it yourself at this link. http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr082009.html

But since Ford began conducting rollover tests on their own accord years ago I'm going out on a limb and saying Mustang may well meet these standards already, particularly since the new standards require a double sided score of 2.5 times the vehicle weight and Mustang already scores a single sided score of 2.8 times vehicle weight.

As for new side impact protection rules you can read about those here or on any of a thousand other sites....

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...a_airbags.html

There is no new mandated equipment, just new standards to meet, and since the Mustang already has a aide impact, head protection system in place in the front and scores extremely well in side impact testing the new standards seem unlikely to change much here. The only thing missing is a rear head airbag which technically isn't actually required, again the car only has to meet the new standards and have some kind of 'system' in place, but which we will probably get anyway. So, assuming Ford does add two rear head airbags, exactly how much do you expect these to weigh? Given your previous posts I can only assume that you believe they will add a great deal.

That's 2

[Black5thgen]

All that article talks about is side curtain airbags which the mustang has. It says nothing about the new structural mandates. That's where weight is added.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/08/f...ffect-in-2010/

Originally Posted by meanmike

Burn!

Hardly, anyone can post facts that are irrelevant. Like posting that a mustang ran a 13.2 but there's no timeslip to prove it.

[meanmike]

But it does state that it is NOT 2012



Originally Posted by syr74
You show me where cars will have to meet these standards by 2012

This was most definitly a burn.

[Black5thgen]

For airbags

[meanmike]

You know what, I am really tired of arguing about these car's I dont really care. I like what I like and you like what you like. I am here to have fun not to play these game's so I am going to try my best to refrain from this BS we ALL seem to get caught up in.

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by meanmike

You know what, I am really tired of arguing about these car's I dont really care.

It's a Camaro forum by the way

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

It's a Camaro forum by the way

Nah, It's a 5th gen forum. I feel no love here either... speaking of..need to hop on MFBA and checkout Keiths Viper again.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

It's a Camaro forum by the way

I kinda figured it might be what with all the talk about them and all. But seriously though I love car's and it's about time there is more than a Mustang on the road, rice need not apply.

[syr74]

[QUOTE=Black5thgen;950393]

All that article talks about is side curtain airbags which the mustang has. It says nothing about the new structural mandates. That's where weight is added.

How do you guys actually read this stuff and still get it wrong? If you bothered to read the entire article the lower portion addresses the new standards specifically including the fact that some sort of rear seat head protection will be mandated by 2013 and that a smaller dummy will also be utilized to better represent female passenger. All of this directly stems from and applies to the new side impact standards. THe article also states....

While NHTSA does not require specific technologies to meet its new performance requirements, manufacturers likely would meet this upgraded rule with various types of innovative head, chest and pelvis protection systems, such as side curtain air bags and thorax air bags.

The government is going to change the standards and means by which side impact ratings are gathered, but they are not telling anybody how to pass under those new standards or implying whether any specific existing vehicle will or wont meet them as is. Related to this the government is also requiring that companies meet a specifically higher standard for rear passenger side impact ratings, and that they must have a system in place to accomplish the same, but again the government is telling nobody exactly how to accomplish that.

As for Camaro meeting these standards and the Mustang not meeting them. The fact of the matter is that we have nothing but GM's word that the Camaro meets these standards, since the government isn't testing for the same as yet. GM obviously thinks the Camaro will pass, but they thought they would get five stars for frontal impact rating as well. Worst case scenario for Mustang, the car need rear head bags that it doesn't currently have. Again, I'm dieing to know just how much you think those will weigh. I also addressed the new rollover rating system which wont be mandatory until 2017.

If you have something to add be my guest as I am always open to learn something new, and I have plenty left to learn..

[Brokinarrow]

my question is, will the V6 stang be able to compete on MPG? If a new buyer is comparing the two, MPG could definitely tip the scale heavily for them (this is a V6 shopper here, not out to get a raging V8... not that the V6 doesn't kick butt )

[cHaotix]

Glad there's competition. Hopefully, GM will step up to the plate and we'll see improvements on all their different trims. As far as the weight/power ratio on the Mustang is concerned though, I'll believe it when I see it. The only thing GM needs to focus on is slimming down and improving the handling and they're golden.