Mustangs................

[syr74]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

And then there's the facts that you refuse to acknowledge, like horsepower.

Please, since I am oh so intrigued, show me where I failed to acknowledge anything as it relates to horsepower?

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Is the Mustang a comparatively decent car for horsepower?

As it stands now, the V6 Mustang it horrible in terms of horsepower. As for 2011, thinks look better.

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Do you think people who buy Camaros and Mustangs are interested in horsepower?

Absolutely

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Was this thread actually about future-year Mustang horsepower?

Was it? Horsepower is certainly involved since it covers the 2011 model year cars in general, but it would seem that the thread title would cover the cars as a whole.

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Was Ford smart to try to include more horsepower in the Mustang, or should they have tried instead to further their supposed lead in side-impact airbags.

Oh ye keeper of the thread purity flame. You need to look back in this thread and note that the safety debate began when one of your own team broke out the old and extraordinarily tired argument that the Camaro is so heavy because of safety features and the next Mustang will gain 47,000 pounds in order to meet those same safety requirements.

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Is the Mustang a comparatively decent car? Do you think people buy Camaros and Mustangs? Was this thread actually about the future-year Mustang? Is Ford smart?

Again, feel free to go back and note that all of these things were covered and, when part of the Camaro faithful didn't like where that was going, we got the above mentioned 'Mustang can't meet safety standards' rant we've heard a thousand times already.

I find it silly myself, but since they obviously believe that said info is true the topic of this thread makes this thread as suitable a place to debate it as any other. If you wish, feel free to inform your fellow Camaro enthusiasts of the same thing that I did and maybe every Mustang vs Camaro thread wont actually devolve into a 'Mustang will weigh five million pounds by 2020' debacle.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Pot -> Kettle.

I didn't state an opinion...........

Fact. The Mustang pulls higher Gs or the skidpad or the Camaro has more Horsepower are facts.

THe Camaro is the batter looking or the Mustang has an ugly rearend would be opinions (though these in no way reflect my opinions)

[Stew]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Pretty sure the only thing the mustang had over the camaro was handling, which it barely won?

The only things the Camaro has over the Mustang is acceleration and less fade prone brakes.

The Mustang had better handling, the interior carries better quality materials (better quality, not design because that is subjective), more interior room, bigger trunk, better steering on center.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Stew

The only things the Camaro has over the Mustang is acceleration and less fade prone brakes.

The Mustang had better handling, the interior carries better quality materials (better quality, not design because that is subjective), more interior room, bigger trunk, better steering on center.

and Top End. Basically everything performance besides handling, which again it barely won. But it doesn't matter, the Camaro still had a better Lap Time.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by a_Username

and Top End. Basically everything performance besides handling, which again it barely won. But it doesn't matter, the Camaro still had a better Lap Time.

Yes because of more power, and the breaking probably has a small amount to do with it.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by meanmike

Yes because of more power.

Like I said before, Ford chose one direction and GM chose another.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by syr74

Please, since I am oh so intrigued, show me where I failed to acknowledge anything as it relates to horsepower?

Show me where you did, besides in this post.

Originally Posted by syr74

As it stands now, the V6 Mustang it horrible in terms of horsepower. As for 2011, thinks look better.

Ok.

Originally Posted by syr74

Was it? Horsepower is certainly involved since it covers the 2011 model year cars in general, but it would seem that the thread title would cover the cars as a whole.

Seemed to me that the article was about the new engines. I didn't see anything there about the rest of the car.

Originally Posted by syr74

Oh ye keeper of the thread purity flame. You need to look back in this thread and note that the safety debate began when one of your own team broke out the old and extraordinarily tired argument that the Camaro is so heavy because of safety features and the next Mustang will gain 47,000 pounds in order to meet those same safety requirements.

The Camaro is heavy? Does that make the GT500 out-and-out fat? And why is the GT500 heavier than the Camaro, when, according to the Mustang guys, adding horsepower to Fords only decreases the weight?

Originally Posted by syr74

Again, feel free to go back and note that all of these things were covered and, when part of the Camaro faithful didn't like where that was going, we got the above mentioned 'Mustang can't meet safety standards' rant we've heard a thousand times already.

I find it silly myself, but since they obviously believe that said info is true the topic of this thread makes this thread as suitable a place to debate it as any other. If you wish, feel free to inform your fellow Camaro enthusiasts of the same thing that I did and maybe every Mustang vs Camaro thread wont actually devolve into a 'Mustang will weigh five million pounds by 2020' debacle.

I know I brought up weight and cost as two factors that could change due to the new engine and power. I could care less about who's got the better airbags.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by Stew

I didn't state an opinion...........

Fact. The Mustang pulls higher Gs or the skidpad or the Camaro has more Horsepower are facts.

THe Camaro is the batter looking or the Mustang has an ugly rearend would be opinions (though these in no way reflect my opinions)

The fact is that the Camaro beat the Mustang in every track challenge so far.

Camaro > Mustang.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by a_Username

and Top End. Basically everything performance besides handling, which again it barely won. But it doesn't matter, the Camaro still had a better Lap Time.

As stated, acceleration and fade free brakes, this course probably had less turns and long straightaways, change to a tighter course with less room to accelerate and the result could be wholly different.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

The fact is that the Camaro beat the Mustang in every track challenge so far.

Camaro > Mustang.

In 1/4 mile? Sure, and I have only read 1 article about a roadcourse, see above post please. Since the power and brakes are what helped the Camaro win, what about the 11 Track Pack which evens the power and gets Brembos?

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by Stew

In 1/4 mile? Sure, and I have only read 1 article about a roadcourse, see above post please. Since the power and brakes are what helped the Camaro win, what about the 11 Track Pack which evens the power and gets Brembos?

Opinion.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Opinion.

How is that opinion? Better power nad brakes IS why the Camaro pulled the quicker time........ It said as much in the article.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Sorry, here:

Originally Posted by Stew

...what about the 11 Track Pack which evens the power and gets Brembos?

Opinion.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Sorry, here:



Opinion.

Yep that is an opinion, as it that the current car would be quicker with more curves and less straightaways since neither has happened........... yet, but I didn't put FACT in front of it either.