Mustangs................

[levi1922]

Originally Posted by BaylorAirForce

I've spent the last hour reading this entire thread, pretty interesting stuff and kept me entertained for a while. Anyways, just thought I'd chime in here. First of all you can't go and say the 2011 mustang is going to run X time in the 0 to 60 and X time in the quarter mile until it actually does, it's just speculation, it could be better or it could be worse then what we think. When you start to talk about the interior of the vehicles, a lot of that is opinion.. One of my good friends has a mustang and I have a camaro, granted some of the interior quality is better in the mustang but I much prefer the interior of the camaro, just my opinion. I have plenty of room in the camaro (I'm 6'2, 215) I could care less about backseat room, if I cared then I would have kept my truck, I'm more concerned about the driver and passenger side and that's about it.



Lets face it, the camaro will always weigh more and as updated camaros come out they will have more hp, while the mustangs will always weigh less yet able to compete with less hp.



After reading these 9 pages it's been made clear to me that it is pointless to argue any further until the mustang actually comes out and its stats become concrete. Both are great cars and it comes down to the driver and what exactly it is they want. 90% of the owners of these cars aren't going to be racing them to the point where the time differences are going to be huge and the other 10% of us who do, well there are tons of mods out there (or will be) for both cars to be completable on just about any level depending how deep your wallet goes.



In the end we're the ones driving the muscle cars that are way better than any ricer out there!

[Stew]

Originally Posted by a_Username

What do you mean by the Mustang winning interior? I hope your talking about features/number of options.

Features, material quality, ergonomics.

[comiskeybum]

Originally Posted by Vega

Ive always been more of a Camaro guy, but the news of the Coyote really peaks my interest, although it urks me cause we all know the 400hp is rated at the crank, sooo we're talkin like 375 in reality, but still thats a big improvement...ive seen the new Mustang Creator thing on i think Ford's website (its like a more in-depth builder tool than the standard builder) you cant actually order the stuff you build from the factory but you can order the car and parts altogether and have the dealer install it all for you...messing with that i got some pretty awsome stuff...and a black 2011 Mustang with 400hp, red interior, red "BOSS" style stripes, and a big ole' shaker hood just might be what it takes to send me to the other side

...at least until the Z/28 ;-)

dude me and you want the same damn car, lol. i want black with red boss stripes as well

[Zeus]

Id take a Grabber Blue with Black Stripes and Shaker hood BOSS

[jonm38]

You know, I never got into the Mustang thing. I had a 2001 Mustang GT for a few years, but just could not get into it. I guess that I liked GM better than Mustang.

[Treadstone]

All I know is that GM better get the Camaro on a diet FAST, or the entire lineup is going to be hurting compared to the Mustang.

[TiffanyKG]

Originally Posted by S8ER01Z

haha..my fiancee beat me... It's funny because when people start talking smack and want to run I always ask if they want me or her to drive...they pick her and lose, stings a bit more for them...haha.

haha, nice... i always love it when people try takin me out at lights and stuff... im like... yea... better luck next time? I drive my poor V6 honda like a race car... i feel like Mario Andretti whenever i get behind the wheel

if the Z28 is gonna be pushin this much power, then i can't wait to see what they do to the SS...

Im SO excited!

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by syr74

LOL. What are you talking about? You do realize that there has to be something not to acknowledge in the fiorst place...right? So, show me a post where anybody pointed out anything factual about hrsepower and I refused to acknowledge it? Can you even follow the stuff you type?



Tell me again, what was the title of this thread? Again, as for the redirection to weight, I suggest to you talk to the home team about that.



I thought you didn't want to talk about weight?



So, you are complaining about issues other than horsepower being dicussed within this thread, but admit to being the one who brought the weight issue up in the first place? As for airbags, when the topic of weight was broached within this very thread, apparently by you, 'safety' was brought up as the reason why the car would get heavier soon thereafter.

Being the kind soul that I am I merely pointed out that the Mustang already meets every safety requirement it is going to need to meet for the next several years, and as such I brought up the extreme likelihood that all that will be needed to finish the job are a pair of rear seat headbags.

So, if weight is going to kill the Mustang's power advantage, and if safety is the reason that weight will go up, then we can only assume that...if a pair of small airbags are all that is needed to rememdy the dreaded 'safety issue', those must be some really heavy airbags.

Of course, I could just sum this up for you quickly. For 2011 the base Mustang gets a new engine that outpowers the V6 mill in the Camaro by every measurable standard, despite the lack of DI, and will do so while resideing under the hood of a car which is considerably lighter than is the Chevy. However, since GM claimed that the Camaro is the whale that it is because of safety features, GM fans assumed that the Mustang somehow must not meet those same standards and will therefore magically gain four tons of mass prior to the 2012 model year.

Unortunately, GM snowed you. The Camaro is heavy because it is based on a full size car platform, not because of safety features. There will be no weight gain for the V6 Mustang, and there may even be weight loss, further stretching the power to weight ratio advantage in favor of the Ford.

You try to be nice to some people, but they just can't stand it.

I believe that you're naive to think that the mustang will not gain any weight whatsoever, and you even go as far to think it would lose weight? Since it will be built on the same platform as the 2010's, and you add extra power, it would only be logical to assume that it would at least gain a little weight.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I believe that you're naive to think that the mustang will not gain any weight whatsoever, and you even go as far to think it would lose weight? Since it will be built on the same platform as the 2010's, and you add extra power, it would only be logical to assume that it would at least gain a little weight.

I believe that if your going to involve yourself in this discussion you should keep up. I dont know how many time's he has stated in this post alone, let alone previous post's, that it will gain a little weight

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by meanmike

I believe that if your going to involve yourself in this discussion you should keep up. I dont know how many time's he has stated in this post alone, let alone previous post's, that it will gain a little weight

This says otherwise...

Originally Posted by syr74

LOL. What are you talking about? You do realize that there has to be something not to acknowledge in the fiorst place...right? So, show me a post where anybody pointed out anything factual about hrsepower and I refused to acknowledge it? Can you even follow the stuff you type?



Tell me again, what was the title of this thread? Again, as for the redirection to weight, I suggest to you talk to the home team about that.



I thought you didn't want to talk about weight?



So, you are complaining about issues other than horsepower being dicussed within this thread, but admit to being the one who brought the weight issue up in the first place? As for airbags, when the topic of weight was broached within this very thread, apparently by you, 'safety' was brought up as the reason why the car would get heavier soon thereafter.

Being the kind soul that I am I merely pointed out that the Mustang already meets every safety requirement it is going to need to meet for the next several years, and as such I brought up the extreme likelihood that all that will be needed to finish the job are a pair of rear seat headbags.

So, if weight is going to kill the Mustang's power advantage, and if safety is the reason that weight will go up, then we can only assume that...if a pair of small airbags are all that is needed to rememdy the dreaded 'safety issue', those must be some really heavy airbags.

Of course, I could just sum this up for you quickly. For 2011 the base Mustang gets a new engine that outpowers the V6 mill in the Camaro by every measurable standard, despite the lack of DI, and will do so while resideing under the hood of a car which is considerably lighter than is the Chevy. However, since GM claimed that the Camaro is the whale that it is because of safety features, GM fans assumed that the Mustang somehow must not meet those same standards and will therefore magically gain four tons of mass prior to the 2012 model year.

Unortunately, GM snowed you. The Camaro is heavy because it is based on a full size car platform, not because of safety features. There will be no weight gain for the V6 Mustang, and there may even be weight loss, further stretching the power to weight ratio advantage in favor of the Ford.

You try to be nice to some people, but they just can't stand it.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by a_Username

This says otherwise...

I appologize, I did'nt notice that he said it might lose weight, but there is alway's a possibility. And he did say that it already meet's those safety standard's minus the airbag's.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by meanmike

I appologize, I did'nt notice that he said it might lose weight, but there is alway's a possibility. And he did say that it already meet's those safety standard's minus the airbag's.

Yes. But think about it, they are adding a bigger motor on the same platform. That is going to add weight. Unless they fork up more money to replace with lightweight wheels, etc. it's going to weigh more.

[1FastMonteCarloLT]

You guys know how the Ford women can get. I mean, we did give them 7 years to try and catch up with their Rustangs. Looks like they needed more time. all the way!!

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by 1FastMonteCarloLT

You guys know how the Ford women can get. I mean, we did give them 7 years to try and catch up with their Rustangs. Looks like they needed more time. all the way!!

What was there to catch up too? Oh you mean those imaginary car's you were all driving. Dont be jealous just because you did'nt have a car for 8 year's. And wether some of you like it or not there has alway's been the Cobra to get the job done. I know, I know the Cobra does'nt compete with the SS right it just spank's there little bottom.