BESIDES ZAINO what wax would be best for yellow!

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Originally Posted by Junkman2008

There are two points that you have made that totally take what I said and totally twist my words. Buttery Wax is a synthetic blend. Americana is a carnuba paste. I said that Americana last longer than Buttery Wax because of its carnuba content. I never said that Americana will outlast all synthetic blends because Adam's website clearly states that the Machine Superwax (MSW) is the longest lasting protection that Adam's has. MSW is a synthetic polymer sealant! That would totally contradict what I tell people who are looking for the best protection that Adam's has to offer. What you are doing is trying to twist my words.

Twisting your words? They are documented here for all to see. Here's the thread that I'm referring to: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...t=72752&page=5

Here's what I said...

Originally Posted by Viral

Americana is a Carnauba Wax, correct? And you're claiming it lasts MUCH longer than Z2pro, a synthetic polish. My understand has always been that Carnaubas can produce deep, rich shine but at the sacrifice of durability. The entire point of developing synthetics was to increase the otherwise lousy durability of Carnauba waxes, but retain the same shine. Why wouldn't that be the case with Adam's version?

And here was your reply:

Originally Posted by Junkman2008

I say yes it not only last longer, but significantly longer! ... More carnuba equals better and longer lasting protection.

Your claim that Americana, because of it's high carnauba content would last significantly longer than the synthetic polymer sealant Z2 wrought this reply from me...

Originally Posted by Viral

You're a fantastic detailer and a heck of an Adam's salesman, but a chemist you are not This statement is completely wrong. In fact, it's 100% backwards. The MORE Carnauba you add to your product, the LESS durability you'll get. What Carnauba brings to the equation is depth of shine. Pick any reputable company out there with any info on Carnauba wax and you'll see this is true.

And you came back with...

Originally Posted by Junkman2008

Okay, allow me to school you on what carnuba does as a wax product. I hate to get technical in my post but in this case, the facts must be laid. I quote from WiseGeek as I couldn't have said it better.

And then proceeded to quote wisegeek on the definition of Carnauba.

All of that was done to PROVE to me that Carnauba Wax, the hardest natural wax known to man, was the REASON Americana would last longer than Z2, which was what the entire post was about. How is that twisting your words? Anyone can go read that thread for themselves.

If you think I'm twisting your words and you are sticking by your long time claim that the Americana Carnauba Wax is more durable than Zaino Z2Pro, a synthetic polymer sealant, then I challenge you to email Adam Pitale himself and have him quote that same thing. Heck, I'd even accept hearing that from Dylan, who works for Adam and certainly wouldn't want to misrepresent the company.

That way, I don't have to be accused of twisting your words. You got technical and "schooled me" on Carnauba waxes specifically to prove your case that 'More carnuba equals better and longer lasting protection' - those are your very words, not twisted by me.

If you don't want to bother the man, I can go out and find a LOT of resources that will say otherwise, that will back up MY words that "Carnaubas can produce deep, rich shine but at the sacrifice of durability" and "The MORE Carnauba you add to your product, the LESS durability you'll get."

The truth is, anytime you're called out on something and proven wrong, you claim that we simply misunderstood what you meant. I asked you what product in the Adams lineup would offer similar durability to Zaino Z2. Here is your direct quote, "untwisted" by me...

Originally Posted by Junkman2008

I would call the equivalent of Z2 to be the Adam's Americana Paste Wax. Z2 does not provide nearly the protection that Americana does but all of the other product description for Z2 match the closest with the Americana.

Originally Posted by Junkman2008

Like you said, I know Adam's products inside and out and you just explained some of the many advantages of Americana. ...Because of its high carnuba content, it protects much better than Z2 and last a lot longer. It can be applied to anything. Americana is your Z2.

I asked for the longest durability product available and YOU said Americana, because of its durability. Now, you're claiming that it's MSW (now you're correct because its a synthetic sealant - you've realized your previous statement was wrong). So instead of saying you were wrong in the previous thread, you say I was twisting your words. Those are your words above, YOUR answer to that exact question of durability in Adam's products. If anyone thinks I'm taking them out of context or twisting them, they can follow the link at the top of my post and read it for themselves.

Explain to me again how I'm trying to twist your words here.

I did post pics in that thread showing my corrected paint on two different cars using Zaino products. I don't go trying to find fault with your posts, but you KEEP making this incorrect claim, and anytime others point it out you try to defend it. And still, it's wrong.

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Viral,

I'm not gonna comment, b/c honestly I get the feeling no matter what I say you'll find a reason to bash, complain, or criticize it. You don't have to like Adam's, you don't have to like AJ, I could really care less if you like me... but it seems overwhelmingly like you have a personal bone to pick as you pop up in almost every thread with some negative comment, or a post designed to insight an argument.

Additionally I'm not going to comment b/c I'm plain sick and tired of reading your guys bickering back and forth over the semantics of detailing terminology and who said what. Its the same song and dance every single time "Well he said this" "no you said that" "if thats true then why did you say this" "blah blah blah"... if I didn't know better I'd think you and AJ were brothers fighting over the better toys in the toy box.

As I've said many times on this forum before - find a product you like and use it often. If you love your product choice so much, talk about it, recommend it, post pictures of the results, but discussing one product shouldn't have bashing others as a prerequisite. For someone so active in the detailing section of the forum I so rarely see you post pictures, writeups, etc. I'd be willing to guess half of your posts are argumentative in nature and honestly that doesn't contribute anything to the community.

Nothing personal, but seriously... give it a rest.

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Dylan, I honestly don't have a problem with you, or AJ, or Adams products. What I have a problem with is a reputable person spreading bad information and criticizing anyone who tries to correct it. I did 'give it a rest' the last time he did it because it got heated then, too. But now he's back, many months later, still promoting the same bad information.

You're not going to comment on it because you KNOW it's wrong. You know Carnauba wax doesn't last longer than synthetic polymers. Even in his statement above, Junkman is now claiming MSW, Adam's synthetic, lasts longer than Americana Carnauba Wax. So he knows he was wrong too, but admitting it looks bad when you're supposed to be an expert in the field and with these products. It's easier to just claim I'm twisting his words.

You and Junkman are considered the top authorities on Adams products. Junkman is making false claims and passing bad information, therefore I correct him. You aren't doing either of those things, so I don't have an issue with your posts. That's why it seems like I have a 'bone to pick' with him. It's not him specifically, it's anyone who posts bad information.

After that conversation, when several in there claimed I tried the wrong Adam's products, I have since placed several orders with Adams to get a full set of machine polishes and waxes for a more accurate comparison, just as I said I would. I spent nearly $200 of my hard earned money on Adams products, even though I'm completely happy with Zaino because I'm always looking out for something better. So I'll have that writeup showing both products used side by side on the same car in 6 months. That should show you that I have no agenda against AJ or Adams (or FOR Zaino), as I've said all along.

I thought this was a public forum where everyone was allowed to not only express their opinions, but also correct false information with facts when appropriate. I continue to do so without resorting to name calling or insults. I'm guessing you don't think that's the way it's supposed to work here...?

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viral, give it a rest already,spend your time cleaning your car instead of bickering. go use your product and figure out a way to be happy.

if you can't see the inciteful nature of your posts then you need help. example = "I'm guessing you don't think that's the way it's supposed to work here...? "

i won't respond so don't bother replying to me. seriously, life is short, move on.