Shno's House of Z

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Originally Posted by BaylorCamaro

Yup and even the Ford got hit with dome bop yesterday and the Corvette got a slightly larger restrictor

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They took both Corvettes out of contention. Unless the Ford's and Ferrari's have issues the Vettes won't catch up.

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I HATE FOX SPORTS!

[JusticePete]

This is what is wrong with racing. Racing used to be innovation. Build a better mouse trap and win. As the money got bigger and bigger, along came the whining and threats. Ford, GM, Dodge, doesn't matter in NASCAR. They all say the same thing after losing. If you don't slow them down, we are leaving. INDY, F1 'the cost is too high', if you don't... Add politics to economics and racing is lucky to have survived the BS and the greed.

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Guys do any of you fell the 6th gen is not up to the same level as the 5th gen car, there seems to be a lot more problems on the 6th gen then before, some of it is bad QC and some IMO is there standards for the car, asking for your input.

[JusticePete]

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

Guys do any of you fell the 6th gen is not up to the same level as the 5th gen car, there seems to be a lot more problems on the 6th gen then before, some of it is bad QC and some IMO is there standards for the car, asking for your input.

There are also a lot more people on the forums to make complaints than there were in 2009/2010. If you've got 5x the complaints, but 10x the owners, there are only half as many problems per car but it looks like its far worse.

[BaylorCamaro]

What problems? I haven't seen much.

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[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

There are also a lot more people on the forums to make complaints than there were in 2009/2010. If you've got 5x the complaints, but 10x the owners, there are only half as many problems per car but it looks like its far worse.

Your right, but i can only talk about the 2 cars we own, and there is a long list we have, dont want to post here as there is more for the 5th gens, but can say not happy with the cars, dont think they will hold up as well as the the last gen.

Originally Posted by BaylorCamaro

What problems? I haven't seen much.

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Go look at the tread's on the gen6 side.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by BaylorCamaro

What problems? I haven't seen much.

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Just a different sort of problems, and a new group of people that like to shout at the top of a mountain, rather than be patient, and follow procedure to try and get things resolved. There are far more people pleased with their cars than not...just like last generation.

But that's just my opinion watching from afar...

In just a couple days JD Power is due to release 2016 Initial Quality Surveys, and I'll be interested to see the results.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

This is what is wrong with racing. Racing used to be innovation. Build a better mouse trap and win. As the money got bigger and bigger, along came the whining and threats. Ford, GM, Dodge, doesn't matter in NASCAR. They all say the same thing after losing. If you don't slow them down, we are leaving. INDY, F1 'the cost is too high', if you don't... Add politics to economics and racing is lucky to have survived the BS and the greed.

I fully agree.

[JusticePete]

Politics and Racing -- Interesting Read on LeMans

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/po...pr=20553875903

[BaylorCamaro]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Politics and Racing -- Interesting Read on LeMans

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/po...pr=20553875903

Saw that article yesterday, certainly an interesting read.

It's clear to me that Ford's entire strategy this season was to win Le Mans at all costs.

Test Weekend LMGTE Pro, fastest car in order per model
1) Corvette - 3:55.122
2) Porsche RSR - 3:55.402
3) Ferrari 488 GTE - 3:55.900
4) Ford GT - 3:56.039
5) Aston Martin - 3:56.191
Difference between fastest and slowest car: 0:00.917

This results in the Corvette receiving a smaller restrictor, Ferrari receives a 22 pound weight increase, Ford & Aston receive a 44 pound weight reduction but the Aston also receives a smaller restricor. Porsche untouched.

Entire class receives an increase of 5 liters (1.32 gallons) of fuel

Article about the adjustments

Qualifying Weekend LMGTE Pro, fastest car in order per model
1) Ford GT - 3:51.185
2) Ferrari 488 GTE - 3:51.568
3) Porsche RSR - 3:54.918
4) Aston Martin - 3:55.261
5) Corvette - 3:55.848
Difference between fastest and slowest car: 0:04.663

This results in the Ford GT receiving 22 pound weight increase & removal of boost pressure throughout 4200-7000 rev range, Ferrari receives 55 pound increase in weight & an extra four liters of fuel, Aston air restricotrs opened up by 0.4mm, Corvette air restrictors opened up by 0.3mm & seven liters of extra fuel capacity, Porsche eight liters of extra fuel capacity.

Article about BoP adjustments

Despite getting a weight increase of 22 pounds and removal of boost pressure between 4200-7000 rpms the Ford GT runs a best time of 3:51.840 which is only 0:00.655 seconds behind their best qualifying lap when they weighed 22 pounds less and were making more boost. Obvious sandbagging even during qualifying when they ran 5.006 seconds faster than the practice laps.

It's really frustrating when teams can get by with this level of sand bagging

[Mr. Wyndham]

I don't really understand the BoP theory to this race series...Is the competition about the best cars and drivers? Or the best possible leveling of performance to a point at which it doesn't matter what car they're driving, because they're all the same....

[JusticePete]

Race what the factory builds and let the results speak for themselves, but it is about racing. It is about MONEY.