"So did you get the real Camaro or just a V6?"

[kga10734]

Let's compare a few cars....

What I have now

2004 Monte Carlo...
weight-3340 LBS
3.4L V6 w/180hp@5200rpm
2.86 axle ratio

1978 Camaro Z28 when it was stock...
weight-3616 LBS
5.7L V8 w/180hp@4000rpm
3.42 axle ratio

what others claim to be a "real Camaro" since it has a V8
2002 Camaro Z28...
weight-3430 LBS
5.7L V8 w/310hp@5200rpm
2.73 axle ratio

and the Unreal Camaro I have on order
2010 Camaro LT...
weight-3741 LBS
3.6L V6 w/304hp@6400rpm
3.27 axle ratio


If you ask me from what I have gathered here in my comparison the 2010 Camaro LT or LS with a 3.6L V6 would blow my Monte Carlo away and beat my '78 Z28 V8 when it was stock because it only weights 125 LBS more but has more HP and close to the same rear gears and it would hang with the 2002 Z28 V8 if it was stock. The 2010 may weight 311 LBS more but the HP is close and the 2010 has a lower geared rear end to make up the difference. So you tell me what makes a Camaro "REAL"?????????

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by kga10734

So you tell me what makes a Camaro "REAL"?????????

The heart...

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Supermans

The heart...

+1
And the community.

[RedRaider]

Yes, I always notice the engine first when I see one on the road. Its definitely not the looks that catch my eye.

[McGruff]

If you ask me from what I have gathered here in my comparison the 2010 Camaro LT or LS with a 3.6L V6 would blow my Monte Carlo away and beat my '78 Z28 V8 when it was stock because it only weights 125 LBS more but has more HP and close to the same rear gears and it would hang with the 2002 Z28 V8 if it was stock. The 2010 may weight 311 LBS more but the HP is close and the 2010 has a lower geared rear end to make up the difference. So you tell me what makes a Camaro "REAL"?????????

How many times must this be explained! People compare the V6 to the V8, not the V6 to past cars. It'd be like if I bought a 32 inch flat screen and people said, "Why didn't you buy a 46 inch?" I wouldn't reply "Well, in 1978 TV's weren't as good as this one!"

The V6 is a good car...but it's not a V8. Just be happy with your V6, but if you get in a "Why don't you have a V8?" battle with someone there's no winning. They've made up their minds for the most part that the V6 isn't good enough and you'll likely just get angry trying to convince them otherwise.

[kga10734]

I'm not angry with anybody or doubting my choice. I am fine with getting a V6 and couldn't give a rat's ass what others think of my choice. I just find it amusing that a Camaro with a V8 back 7 years ago or later had the same power or less then the new V6 but yet some people are ignorant and say it's not a real Camaro if it doesn't have a V8.

[McGruff]

Originally Posted by kga10734

I'm not angry with anybody or doubting my choice. I am fine with getting a V6 and couldn't give a rat's ass what others think of my choice. I just find it amusing that a Camaro with a V8 back 7 years ago or later had the same power or less then the new V6 but yet some people are ignorant and say it's not a real Camaro if it doesn't have a V8.

Good, everyone should be glad with the choice they made.

People will always compare with current models, unless the car is worse than a past car. Some people will always expect a muscle car to be a V8 and that's it. Some people just say that to make themselves feel better for not having the car. It's just the way things are, don't let it bother you.

[PQ]

I got the real one.







JK

[geminidreams]

They are all Camaro's right? Yes V8 will always be the bad ass but for some of us the V6 has what we need.

[scrming]

Originally Posted by McGruff

How many times must this be explained! People compare the V6 to the V8, not the V6 to past cars. It'd be like if I bought a 32 inch flat screen and people said, "Why didn't you buy a 46 inch?" I wouldn't reply "Well, in 1978 TV's weren't as good as this one!"

The V6 is a good car...but it's not a V8. Just be happy with your V6, but if you get in a "Why don't you have a V8?" battle with someone there's no winning. They've made up their minds for the most part that the V6 isn't good enough and you'll likely just get angry trying to convince them otherwise.

agreed with the battle part... V8 snobs are very set in their ways... it is that whole talking to a brick wall thing...

And the best part... 9 out 10 times the guy saying "You should have got a V8" walks away and gets in his rusted out, beat to death Toyota POS.... LOL!

[Quackaddict]

jealousy is a you know what!!!!!!!

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by oldag92

I responded "Yeah, I really like it, and from what I've heard, it will smoke a Mustang." Heh.

Sure..the V6 models or a 96~98 non PI GT. Anything else is going to walk away from you man.

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by kga10734

I'm not angry with anybody or doubting my choice. I am fine with getting a V6 and couldn't give a rat's ass what others think of my choice. I just find it amusing that a Camaro with a V8 back 7 years ago or later had the same power or less then the new V6 but yet some people are ignorant and say it's not a real Camaro if it doesn't have a V8.

Hi pot...meet kettle.

7 years ago the LS1 was making far MORE than 304hp. You should do some reading up.

what others claim to be a "real Camaro" since it has a V8
2002 Camaro Z28...
weight-3430 LBS
5.7L V8 w/310hp@5200rpm
2.73 axle ratio

and the Unreal Camaro I have on order
2010 Camaro LT...
weight-3741 LBS
3.6L V6 w/304hp@6400rpm
3.27 axle ratio

I think you are waaaaay to hung up on HP numbers... IF the 2002 Z28 only made 310hp *which it doesn't* the weight thing would still make a bigger difference than you are letting on. Also the axle ratio is useless without accounting for the gear ratios, tire height, etc... considering 3.23s were optional on the automatics and 3.42s were standard on the manual cars I think you overlooked at lot of information either of purpose or because you don't know any better.

If you ask me from what I have gathered here in my comparison the 2010 Camaro LT or LS with a 3.6L V6 would blow my Monte Carlo away and beat my '78 Z28 V8 when it was stock because it only weights 125 LBS more but has more HP and close to the same rear gears and it would hang with the 2002 Z28 V8 if it was stock. The 2010 may weight 311 LBS more but the HP is close and the 2010 has a lower geared rear end to make up the difference. So you tell me what makes a Camaro "REAL"?????????

You won't hang with a 2002 Z28 man... I'm sorry but you are looking at 'claimed' horsepower numbers and not accounting for anything else. If HP is the only thing you can relate then we can do this...

10hp = 100lbs (using rule of thumb... it's not exact just a way to simplify this)

311lbs (the difference you quoted) would mean there is a 30hp gap that needs to be made in order for the heavier car to run with the lighter one (assuming everything else is equal).

Given that the 2002 Z28 actually makes 350+hp that means you would need to make 380+hp for your 311lb heavier car to run equal (once again assuming you had the same aerodynamics, gearing, etc). Is that making any sense?

You need to go back about 12 years...to when the LT1 made about the same power. Even then you would have the weight difference to make up so I still don't see you running down a properly running LT1 stock to stock.

[rays]

If the V6 is clearly such a dog then why do you v8 guys spend so much time talking about it. Blah Blah blah.... Get over it. You could have had a V6.