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Huggerorange73 · 06-16-2011, 08:00 PM

Got the engine torn down to the front cover.....going to need a bigger breaker bar to get the bolt out of the balancer.

Back to work tomorrow....so the mystery will have to linger until at least Monday.

I did turn the engine over via the crank and the cam seems to be moving along with the crank....of course that means nothing, because under load if the dowel sheared off the timing is out of whack.

The plot thickens....

Elykson · 06-16-2011, 09:37 PM

Mike, I'll have that check in the mail tomorrow so you can put it towards your new engine.

Anxious to see the rest. Keep your head up!

IROCanSS · 06-16-2011, 09:43 PM

I still have a pocket full of Canadian coins... They are yours for the rebuild fund... Ill even swap it to USD for ya!

BLACK10 · 06-16-2011, 10:27 PM

All mechanical things fail. Some just sooner than others........even though it sucks:(

thesnoopster · 06-16-2011, 10:37 PM

Damn this hurts to look at .....

Im so sorry to see this happen to you at the BBOMG.... :(

I know you gonna have her back roaring again....

Sorry for the carnage.. :(

Toasty · 06-16-2011, 10:49 PM

I am not sure why, but I was looking at the carnage pics and saying "ooooohhhh" like the alien shirts you guys had on at dinner....

Hope it goes back together soon! ... I'd bet a dose of JB Weld will get it patched up OK

Darth_Emma · 06-16-2011, 11:03 PM

This is a painful thing to read about. I am so sorry this happened to your car, Mike.. It is going to be fun though to watch the rebuild. It will soon be better and badder than ever. I still smell a 427 in the future...

There was mention that the oil pump might have failed. Is that still a possible culprit? I just had cam installed last month and really didn't know about the potential issues with the oil pump. I'd be interested to know if it was involved here. I guess I should have replaced mine. (Live and learn.)

Also, was this motor forged? I'm curious to know what the rwhp was. I keep hearing that it's not necessary to forge an engine until it's up over 600+ rwhp. I thought this car was in the "safe" limits for a stock bottom end.

KYPU, Mike! I'll be following this story.

camaro1 · 06-16-2011, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russell James

Now that I see all the valves hit - yup, cam timing moved.

Probably a 1 bolt cam, and the pin is sheared off. After you take the front cover off, you'll probably be giving Comp Cams an earfull.

i would agree here,,, i just saw a new gm engine that only made it 34 miles and the pin wore a groove in the sprocket and made the cam timing so far off that the engine would not run,, and this was all stock

camaro1 · 06-16-2011, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

This is true on timing belts. We have timing chains and there is no way you could jump a tooth on our chains. I have seen a some installed a tooth or two off and a couple snap but that's it (saw someone install one that didn't know there was marks you had to line up, that was interesting hearing it start up). Our timing sets are very stout (the three bolt ones), no need for an after market unless you want to have adjustability.

but he had a single bolt cam,, pins are known for shearing off,, id only go with a 3 bolt cam

Neriah · 06-17-2011, 12:01 AM

Hopefully this was not another engine destruction caused by the Oil Pump failure.

mikeSS · 06-17-2011, 12:10 AM

geez its going to be a long weeken.

PQ · 06-17-2011, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeSS

geez its going to be a long weeken.

I was thinking the same thing. LOL

Hugger, I hope you are ok. I am not trying to make light of your situation.

Huggerorange73 · 06-17-2011, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elykson

Mike, I'll have that check in the mail tomorrow so you can put it towards your new engine.

Anxious to see the rest. Keep your head up!

Thanks Kyle!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrhaus76

I still have a pocket full of Canadian coins... They are yours for the rebuild fund... Ill even swap it to USD for ya!

Aren't you banned?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLACK10

All mechanical things fail. Some just sooner than others........even though it sucks:(

Agreed.....100%

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesnoopster

Damn this hurts to look at .....

Im so sorry to see this happen to you at the BBOMG.... :(

I know you gonna have her back roaring again....

Sorry for the carnage.. :(

It'll get back on the road Snoop!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toasty

I am not sure why, but I was looking at the carnage pics and saying "ooooohhhh" like the alien shirts you guys had on at dinner....

Hope it goes back together soon! ... I'd bet a dose of JB Weld will get it patched up OK

Maybe 2 55 gallon drums of JB Weld.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth_Emma

This is a painful thing to read about. I am so sorry this happened to your car, Mike.. It is going to be fun though to watch the rebuild. It will soon be better and badder than ever. I still smell a 427 in the future...

There was mention that the oil pump might have failed. Is that still a possible culprit? I just had cam installed last month and really didn't know about the potential issues with the oil pump. I'd be interested to know if it was involved here. I guess I should have replaced mine. (Live and learn.)

Also, was this motor forged? I'm curious to know what the rwhp was. I keep hearing that it's not necessary to forge an engine until it's up over 600+ rwhp. I thought this car was in the "safe" limits for a stock bottom end.

KYPU, Mike! I'll be following this story.

I wish I could swing a 427...at the moment it's just not possible. May end up with a LS3 crate motor....we'll see.

At one point the pump was suspect....but after looking long and hard at this carnage, it points more to the mechanical timing of the engine being out of whack. With the HP level you're at I'm stunned IPS didn't make you upgrade the pump!

100% stock internals on the engine.....470 rwhp. This set up was wayyyyy safe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by camaro1

i would agree here,,, i just saw a new gm engine that only made it 34 miles and the pin wore a groove in the sprocket and made the cam timing so far off that the engine would not run,, and this was all stock

I have a strong feeling this pin is the problem.....we'll see.

Quote:

Originally Posted by camaro1

but he had a single bolt cam,, pins are known for shearing off,, id only go with a 3 bolt cam

Wish I would have the first time.....bad call on my part.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neriah

Hopefully this was not another engine destruction caused by the Oil Pump failure.

I don't think it's the pump...plenty of oil on the wrist pins and lifters up top to be oil starved.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeSS

geez its going to be a long weeken.

You're telling me....I have to work from 7am to 9:30pm Friday & Saturday!!!!

Huggerorange73 · 06-17-2011, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PQ

I was thinking the same thing. LOL

Hugger, I hope you are ok. I am not trying to make light of your situation.

PQ, no worries man....all I can do at this point is laugh about it.

I think I may have you beat on bad luck buddy....output shaft one week, engine the next.

Top that!

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06-16-2011, 08:00 PM	#155
Huggerorange73 Banned Drives: The REAL C5 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Norridge, IL Posts: 1,830	Got the engine torn down to the front cover.....going to need a bigger breaker bar to get the bolt out of the balancer. Back to work tomorrow....so the mystery will have to linger until at least Monday. I did turn the engine over via the crank and the cam seems to be moving along with the crank....of course that means nothing, because under load if the dowel sheared off the timing is out of whack. The plot thickens....

06-16-2011, 09:43 PM	#157
IROCanSS Account Suspended Drives: 89 IROC 350 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Back roads, southern Ohio Posts: 12,504 View My Garage	I still have a pocket full of Canadian coins... They are yours for the rebuild fund... Ill even swap it to USD for ya!

06-16-2011, 10:27 PM	#158
BLACK10 Drives: 2010 CAMARO. 10.04@133mph, 1.4 60' Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Lafayette, Louisiana Posts: 4,585	All mechanical things fail. Some just sooner than others........even though it sucks:(

06-16-2011, 11:03 PM	#161
Darth_Emma Psssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh! Drives: under contruction Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Marysville, Ohio Posts: 12,996 View My Garage	This is a painful thing to read about. I am so sorry this happened to your car, Mike.. It is going to be fun though to watch the rebuild. It will soon be better and badder than ever. I still smell a 427 in the future... There was mention that the oil pump might have failed. Is that still a possible culprit? I just had cam installed last month and really didn't know about the potential issues with the oil pump. I'd be interested to know if it was involved here. I guess I should have replaced mine. (Live and learn.) Also, was this motor forged? I'm curious to know what the rwhp was. I keep hearing that it's not necessary to forge an engine until it's up over 600+ rwhp. I thought this car was in the "safe" limits for a stock bottom end. KYPU, Mike! I'll be following this story.

06-17-2011, 12:10 AM	#165
mikeSS Drives: 2015 c7 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MI Posts: 7,462	geez its going to be a long weeken.