My 50th birthday GT500 or ZL1?

[SIRLOIN]

Originally Posted by 69NMYSS

SAE certified?? If not it's not valid. I guarantee many of the dyno's will get greater than 580hp from the ZL1, but the SAE rating is 580hp.

"The 650 horsepower rating is at the maximum continuous rpm of 6250, but the redline is 7,000 at which point we saw 670-plus horsepower on the screen. But Ford probably doesn't want you to know that. In fact, we were asked to blur some of the proprietary data."

That was quoted right out of Hot rod magazine. You can take it for what it's worth. Im sure that's still not "valid' enough for you though...

[StentS]

Originally Posted by Coolidge

LOL so many comedians out tonight. Hold on one second let me shift my 4x4 Dodge Hemi into low and crawl over top of your Z28, there you go a set of authentic black stripes, no need to thank me.

There is a thought... maybe a 4x4 srt392 Challenger.......

Chevy all my life and a lot older than you

[Coolidge]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

i meant that 580hp will most likely be more than enough for the OP.

and the GT500's handling will probably be more than he'll ever need.

Correct 580HP is all I need for the driving I do and that's the key right. If I buy a ZL1 will never see a drag strip, ever. It will see mountain roads with 2000 foot drop offs hence I'll take all the handling and stability the ZL1 can serve up.

As for the GT500's handling its simple, what is the GT500's Nuremberg lap time? Is it better than the ZL1 7:41:27? If so let Ford post it and I will be impressed and give the GT500 its due.

[Coolidge]

Originally Posted by StentS

There is a thought... maybe a 4x4 srt392 Challenger.......

Chevy all my life and a lot older than you

I'm quite happy actually with my 2010 Hemi Ram 1500 4x4, the best vehicle I have owned in many ways. I drive around daring it to snow or get muddy!! Inferno Red...Inferno I said!

[Coolidge]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

now we are debating street comfort?

You bet, here's more ZL1 goodies I like that the GT500 doesn't seem to offer.

Automatic Transmission w/paddle (touch) shifters
Heated mirrors
Heated seats
Remote starter
Rear parking assist camera
Daytime running lights
Remote trunk release
Power passenger seat
Adjustable steering wheel
Auto dimming rear view mirror

[Coolidge]

Originally Posted by 69NMYSS

The MR (active) suspension has been praised by just about every mag on the planet. Im sure the Bilsteins (2 settings, rough and rougher) will be an improvement, but nowhere near as forgiving and accomodating as an active MR system. Especially during daily driving on the streets.

I like a ZL1 suspension that adjusts as I'm entering the pothole, while I'm in the pothole, and as I exit the pothole.

[BATMAN!]

Originally Posted by Coolidge

Correct 580HP is all I need for the driving I do and that's the key right. If I buy a ZL1 will never see a drag strip, ever. It will see mountain roads with 2000 foot drop offs hence I'll take all the handling and stability the ZL1 can serve up.

As for the GT500's handling its simple, what is the GT500's Nuremberg lap time? Is it better than the ZL1 7:41:27? If so let Ford post it and I will be impressed and give the GT500 its due.

Give me a break really so your not going to a drag strip or the RING so wtf does it matter. You people and that ring time are ridiculous. You planning on driving it way over the speed limit on on those mountain roads to the point that the suspension matters that much?

[SIRLOIN]

Originally Posted by Coolidge

Correct 580HP is all I need for the driving I do and that's the key right. If I buy a ZL1 will never see a drag strip, ever. It will see mountain roads with 2000 foot drop offs hence I'll take all the handling and stability the ZL1 can serve up.

As for the GT500's handling its simple, what is the GT500's Nuremberg lap time? Is it better than the ZL1 7:41:27? If so let Ford post it and I will be impressed and give the GT500 its due.

I have a feeling that even if the GT500 were to spank the ZL1 on every course known to man, other than the ring, it would still be a fail for the Shelby...

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by Coolidge

I'm turning the big five-0 this year and thinking I may celebrate by buying myself a bad ass muscle car. I have researched both the GT500 and ZL1 and and there's one thing that bugs me about the ZL1, the engine. Come on pushrods? Not even forged pistons on a supercharged engine?

I went down to Ford last weekend and looked at a GT500 in person, man that engine is bad ass. Quad overhead cams, massive cylinder heads, 4 valves per cylinder, forged pistions, rods, crank, cast aluminum oil pan. That's what I would expect in a modern muscle car.

The ZL1 engine in the pictures looks kind of puny and dated. Sure its making HP but I can't help think I'm getting kind of out dated tech in the engine category with the ZL1.

Sadly I had to cross the GT500 off my list because hey Ford where's the rest of the freaking car? This is where the ZL1 shines, the engine aside its literally stuffed bumper to bumper with modern muscle car high tech advancements they really did a hell of a nice job on this car. It needs to shed a few pounds.

So I think I'm going to go for a ZL1, I just may have to about the pushrod motor until I get over it.

Welcome to the Half Century Club! As Billy Crystal was famous for saying in one of his skit's on SNL....You (will) look marvelous in a ZL1, the ZL1 is The hands down mid life crisis American Muscle machine. Mustang, ...meh. ZL1 isn't boyish looking, it's freakin bad ass as all hell. Sure, it ain't perfect, but...is anything? That's my story and I'm stickin to it...

[Coolidge]

Originally Posted by SIRLOIN

There is a big difference in sustaining crazy high rpm's when talking about supercharged motors vs N/A motors. You obviously don't know the difference and i don't feel like wasting my time to explain it to you. Your post is... when talking about how a production vechicle making 7k rpm from a supercharged motor is disappointing.

There is a reason the ZL1 peaks at 6250...

LOL go ahead tell us how a 750rpm difference is make or break with a forged crank, titanium rods, forged pistons, overhead cams, revised cooling, oil squirters, and 1.5 more quarts of oil this should be good for a laugh.

Or is it the GT500 isn't designed to disipate the heat at 7,000 rpm or take the 15psi of boost for more than a few seconds?

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by Coolidge

You bet, here's more ZL1 goodies I like that the GT500 doesn't seem to offer.

Automatic Transmission w/paddle (touch) shifters
Heated mirrors
Heated seats
Remote starter
Rear parking assist camera
Daytime running lights
Remote trunk release
Power passenger seat
Adjustable steering wheel
Auto dimming rear view mirror

I think for what you are looking for, a CTS-V maybe the ticket! You seem to like the comfort features more than anything else and the super-Caddy will fit the bill. Fast and Luxurious.

[ffrcobra_65]

what I would like to know is the OP's other name here on Camaro5.

[Coolidge]

Originally Posted by BATMAN!

Give me a break really so your not going to a drag strip or the RING so wtf does it matter. You people and that ring time are ridiculous. You planning on driving it way over the speed limit on on those mountain roads to the point that the suspension matters that much?

Did I say it would see no track days? No I did not, just no drag strip duty.

[BATMAN!]

Originally Posted by Coolidge

Did I say it would see no track days? No I did not, just no drag strip duty.

You certainly didn't say anything about taking it to any track either.

And let's say you were going to track it you will still never see the one you've mentioned.