'Muscle Car' or 'Sports car' - Page 12 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Mike J · 06-09-2016, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Docker

Customers come in all the time asking about the new SS. One asked "how much horsepower does it have?" Is said "455 hp, 455 torque" he says "that's it?"

Then I talk about active rev matching in the M6 "oh that's gay only pussies need that." I know how ignorant the masses are.

I'm around them all day, talking about them, driving Z/28's, ZL1's, SS's, RS's, LT's, LS's for dealer transports or just to gain more product knowledge when customers ask about them. Studying them. Until the point that they're all the same sheep."

I don't care, it's just fun to see how people hold something as trivial as the engine at such high regard. If I wanted an SS I could get one, there's just no smart reason to own one in my opinion because I'm not taking it to the track.

Baba · 06-09-2016, 06:57 AM

I voted both.

I don't see the LS / LT as a "muscle car" as those of 45+ years ago. I see them as more of a "sports car".

The SS, on the other hand, is what I consider a "muscle car" in the traditional sense.

DonM · 06-09-2016, 07:18 AM

My insurance company lists it as a "sporty coupe" not a "high performance vehicle" which means lower rates

All hail the V6

SlingShot · 06-09-2016, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Docker

I don't care, it's just fun to see how people hold something as trivial as the engine at such high regard. If I wanted an SS I could get one, there's just no smart reason to own one in my opinion because I'm not taking it to the track.

For someone who doesn't care, you sure feel the need to defend the V6 purchase an awful lot ... LOL ...

Docker · 06-09-2016, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

Nobody here has been offended by you. And even though you actually made a Mother joke on the last page, nobody here has been acting offended. So don't get so pissed over other people's comments. Nobody's pissed over yours.

You don't need to keep your fists up. Nobody is fighting you. You don't have to be the only one that knows anything about every subject. I know that everybody wants to be alpha wolf but knowing what people want, how ignorant the masses are...confidence is one thing and its great. But I'm not sure that you realize that you're ready to take on the world here. Relax. Just a car forum.

Some folks just don't have a sense of humor. What leads you to believe I'm pissed? What do I have to be pissed about exactly?

UBB · 06-09-2016, 07:31 AM

[QUOTE=Docker;9140604. If I wanted an SS I could get one, there's just no smart reason to own one in my opinion because I'm not taking it to the track.[/QUOTE]

1leWorksforMe · 06-09-2016, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Stacy

Sports Car: Goes fast around corners.

Muscle Car: Goes fast in a straight line.

5th Gen: Muscle Car

6th Gen: Sports Car?

5th gen 1le: Both

Docker · 06-09-2016, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by UBB

It's a true statement.

If I cared I wouldn't be tooling around in a little 3.6.

Weather or not you view anything less than 8 cylinders as muscle car is entirely up to you. My point is that not all of them actually Have 8 and have that title. Say the crappy Monte Carlo SS that came out in 2008, is that a muscle car?

UBB · 06-09-2016, 07:52 AM

You're to emotionally worked up defending your affinity for your 6�� To each their own dude. Drive it like you stole it is what I say but make no mistake nobody ever confuses Round Steak for Prime Rib despite them both being beef.

BlackinBlack · 06-09-2016, 07:59 AM

They are neither.

Camaro is a PONY CAR which is a class of its own.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony_car

Quote from WIKI

"As a result, the basic two-door, four passenger Pony Car characteristics were set:

Stylish and sporty long hood, short deck, and "open mouth" styling
Affordable base price (under $2,500 — in 1965 dollar value)
"Off-the-shelf" mass production components
Wide range of often lucrative options to individualize each car
Youth-oriented marketing and advertising

Tellingly, while most pony cars were available with more powerful engines and performance packages—enough to propel some into the muscle car realm—the vast majority were sold with six-cylinder engines or ordinary V8s. Similarly as other muscle car versions, for the most part, the high-performance models saw limited sales and were largely limited to drag racing, road racing, or racing homologation purposes"

Docker · 06-09-2016, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UBB

You're to emotionally worked up defending your affinity for your 6�� To each their own dude. Drive it like you stole it is what I say but make no mistake nobody ever confuses Round Steak for Prime Rib despite them both being beef.

confusion has nothing to do with it. It's perception.

Since when is a car an entirely different class of car based on its engine alone? Is a 4wd suburban suddenly an off-road vehicle because it has 4wd?

No it's a SUV geared for off-road capability

just like how the SS is geared for higher performance. The Z/28 is geared for track. But they're the same class of vehicle. If one is a muscle car they all are, if one is a pony car they all are.

MLL67RSSS · 06-09-2016, 08:21 AM

Wow, 12 pages trying to make terms coined about A HALF CENTURY ago in fit today's automotive market.

Not to mention that this is one of those recurring thread themes that just keeps coming up like a bad penny. What a waste of time and space (didn't vote, don't care, call it whatever you want). Trying to pound square pegs into round holes it is.

Really, trying to compare a time when every car had four-five-six different engine options alone and you could build a quarter million of them with no two alike, to today's automotive market!?!?!?!!?!? Insanity.

Royal Tiger · 06-09-2016, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Stacy

First Muscle Car?

This!

Good job Mr. Stacy!!!

gto mark · 06-09-2016, 08:41 AM

Not a V-6 hater, had some pretty fast turbo & supercharged V-6's, but it's like the commercial says " I could of had a V-8".

View Poll Results: 'Sports Car' or 'Muscle Car'
Muscle Car	107	53.50%
Sports Car	21	10.50%
Both	67	33.50%
Never thought abouit it	5	2.50%
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06-09-2016, 06:57 AM	#156
Baba Drives: 2011 Camaro 2LT RS Convertible Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: USAREUR, CONUS/DOD-A, VA Posts: 1,745	I voted both. I don't see the LS / LT as a "muscle car" as those of 45+ years ago. I see them as more of a "sports car". The SS, on the other hand, is what I consider a "muscle car" in the traditional sense. __________________ 2011 Camaro 2LT RS Convertible Summit White Black Leather 3 Pedals Build Date: 06/27/2011 Purchased: 07/30/2011 Title Received: 08/15/2011 1984 Camaro (3rd Gen.): Traded: 1987 "Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss."

06-09-2016, 07:18 AM	#157
DonM Camaro #4 Drives: 2017-Hyper Blue Metallic-2LTmanual Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: NE Ohio (Akron) Posts: 1,256	My insurance company lists it as a "sporty coupe" not a "high performance vehicle" which means lower rates All hail the V6 __________________ Don M Supercharged LGX + 6 speed manual = FUN!!

06-09-2016, 07:59 AM	#164
BlackinBlack Drives: 2016 Corvette Z06 Blade Silver Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 822	They are neither. Camaro is a PONY CAR which is a class of its own. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony_car Quote from WIKI "As a result, the basic two-door, four passenger Pony Car characteristics were set: Stylish and sporty long hood, short deck, and "open mouth" styling Affordable base price (under $2,500 — in 1965 dollar value) "Off-the-shelf" mass production components Wide range of often lucrative options to individualize each car Youth-oriented marketing and advertising Tellingly, while most pony cars were available with more powerful engines and performance packages—enough to propel some into the muscle car realm—the vast majority were sold with six-cylinder engines or ordinary V8s. Similarly as other muscle car versions, for the most part, the high-performance models saw limited sales and were largely limited to drag racing, road racing, or racing homologation purposes" __________________ 2016 2LZ Z06 Blade Silver 2013 ZL1 BLACK on BLACK <SOLD> Roto-Fab CAI 2010 2SS/RS BLACK on BLACK <SOLD> 3" MBRP 304 Stainless Exhaust Roto-Fab CAI

06-09-2016, 07:31 AM	#160
UBB Drives: 2018 ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Bismarck Posts: 572 View My Garage	[QUOTE=Docker;9140604. If I wanted an SS I could get one, there's just no smart reason to own one in my opinion because I'm not taking it to the track.[/QUOTE]

06-09-2016, 07:52 AM	#163
UBB Drives: 2018 ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Bismarck Posts: 572 View My Garage	You're to emotionally worked up defending your affinity for your 6�� To each their own dude. Drive it like you stole it is what I say but make no mistake nobody ever confuses Round Steak for Prime Rib despite them both being beef.

06-09-2016, 08:21 AM	#166
MLL67RSSS Account Suspended Drives: car Join Date: May 2008 Location: location Posts: 1,569	Wow, 12 pages trying to make terms coined about A HALF CENTURY ago in fit today's automotive market. Not to mention that this is one of those recurring thread themes that just keeps coming up like a bad penny. What a waste of time and space (didn't vote, don't care, call it whatever you want). Trying to pound square pegs into round holes it is. Really, trying to compare a time when every car had four-five-six different engine options alone and you could build a quarter million of them with no two alike, to today's automotive market!?!?!?!!?!? Insanity.

06-09-2016, 08:41 AM	#168
gto mark Drives: 2015 Red Hot 2SS/RS 1LE Recaros NPP Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: south central pa Posts: 120	Not a V-6 hater, had some pretty fast turbo & supercharged V-6's, but it's like the commercial says " I could of had a V-8".