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*DGthe3* · 02-24-2017, 04:54 PM

The fact that they didn't call the ZL1-1LE a Z/28 when they very easily could have means they are still at least preserving the name.

However, I'm not really sure there is any room left over for a Z/28 in the lineup with this. A pure showroom stock race car like the COPOs is possible. Not sure how much market there would be for that though.

For a street Z/28, in order to go around a track better, it would need to go 1 step further than the already crazy ZL1-1LE on wheels/tires, brakes, and suspension as a bare minimum. And have 600 or so hp while being no more than about 3550 lbs. That is a very tall order. And if the ZL1-1LE is already going to be about 70k, adding all that is going to make for an 80k plus car. Thans an awful lot of money for a Camaro.

I guess they could go the opposite direction & offer something that isn't really seen: an autocross specialist. Use a high output turbo4 (low 300 hp range), give it the ZL1-1LEs handling bits and cut some more weight. Forget the extra cooling and aerodynamics. Price point of maybe 40k. Not sure I like the idea ... but its a thing that could exist & wouldn't really bump up against anything.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 02-24-2017, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I guess we can forget any Z/28 this generation. It is officially the ZL1 1LE. At least they didn't screw up the Z/28 like they did the Z06.

It sure seems that way!

Looks awesome, goes awesome.....three seconds faster around Milford Road Course could very easily mean a high 7:10s around the Nurburgring....and they just bolstered the 1LE reputation in a way I didn't think was possible.

pat_t · 02-24-2017, 05:03 PM

No 6th gen Z/28 then. And while that looks like a freaking cool car, as a Z28 owner I'm kinda glad. I don't think we'll ever see a N/A 7.0L motor now, I think the Gen5 Z/28s will be the last of that breed!

Bhobbs · 02-24-2017, 05:13 PM

I'm sure the didn't use Z/28 to avoid the whole C7 Z06 issue. It's pretty disappointing GM couldn't counter the GT350R and 5.2 Voodoo head on.

JusticePete · 02-24-2017, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I'm sure the didn't use Z/28 to avoid the whole C7 Z06 issue. It's pretty disappointing GM couldn't counter the GT350R and 5.2 Voodoo head on.

It is all perspective.

What can Ford come up with to compete with the ZL1 1LE?

JusticePete · 02-24-2017, 05:32 PM

There will be no Z/28 in the 6th Gen production run, but do we really care with the ZL1 1LE on the showroom floor... soon?

Bhobbs · 02-24-2017, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JusticePete

It is all perspective.

What can Ford come up with to compete with the ZL1 1LE?

I'm sure they will come up with something. If GM couldn't answer the GT350R, does Ford have to answer the ZL1 1LE?

*DGthe3* · 02-24-2017, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I'm sure they will come up with something. If GM couldn't answer the GT350R, does Ford have to answer the ZL1 1LE?

Take a GT350R, install the engine from the eventual GT500 & call it a GT500R. Should be pretty similar in capability to a ZL1LE

Number 3 · 02-24-2017, 06:22 PM

I'm still hopeful. Not sure why but I am.

*DGthe3* · 02-24-2017, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

I'm still hopeful. Not sure why but I am.

Until 6th gen production ends, a 6th gen Z/28 (or Z28) is still possible. And if its possible, there is reason to hope.

Bhobbs · 02-24-2017, 06:51 PM

They should take all the ZL1 1LE aero, suspension, wheels and tires, put them on a SS and call it a SS 1LE ZL1 1LE. haha

Or a 2LE and crush the GT350R.

I guess there is always a microscopic chance of a Z/28 coming along. Just need to convince GM that team Camaro is worthy of getting an engine for it.

*DGthe3* · 02-24-2017, 06:58 PM

Thats the spirit!

JusticePete · 02-24-2017, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I'm sure they will come up with something. If GM couldn't answer the GT350R, does Ford have to answer the ZL1 1LE?

What is it the 350R has or does the Z1LE doesn't?

JusticePete · 02-24-2017, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Number 3

I'm still hopeful. Not sure why but I am.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Until 6th gen production ends, a 6th gen Z/28 (or Z28) is still possible. And if its possible, there is reason to hope.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

They should take all the ZL1 1LE aero, suspension, wheels and tires, put them on a SS and call it a SS 1LE ZL1 1LE. haha

Or a 2LE and crush the GT350R.

I guess there is always a microscopic chance of a Z/28 coming along. Just need to convince GM that team Camaro is worthy of getting an engine for it.

I guess I am not understanding what you are saying. The new Z1LE is a monster Camaro, the fastest road course Camaro ever. What could a 6th GEN Z/28 possibly do better?

02-24-2017, 04:54 PM	#17123
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,366	The fact that they didn't call the ZL1-1LE a Z/28 when they very easily could have means they are still at least preserving the name. However, I'm not really sure there is any room left over for a Z/28 in the lineup with this. A pure showroom stock race car like the COPOs is possible. Not sure how much market there would be for that though. For a street Z/28, in order to go around a track better, it would need to go 1 step further than the already crazy ZL1-1LE on wheels/tires, brakes, and suspension as a bare minimum. And have 600 or so hp while being no more than about 3550 lbs. That is a very tall order. And if the ZL1-1LE is already going to be about 70k, adding all that is going to make for an 80k plus car. Thans an awful lot of money for a Camaro. I guess they could go the opposite direction & offer something that isn't really seen: an autocross specialist. Use a high output turbo4 (low 300 hp range), give it the ZL1-1LEs handling bits and cut some more weight. Forget the extra cooling and aerodynamics. Price point of maybe 40k. Not sure I like the idea ... but its a thing that could exist & wouldn't really bump up against anything. __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

02-24-2017, 05:13 PM	#17126
Bhobbs Drives: 2015 SS 1LE Red Hot, 1970 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 6,994	I'm sure the didn't use Z/28 to avoid the whole C7 Z06 issue. It's pretty disappointing GM couldn't counter the GT350R and 5.2 Voodoo head on. __________________

02-24-2017, 05:32 PM	#17128
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,171	There will be no Z/28 in the 6th Gen production run, but do we really care with the ZL1 1LE on the showroom floor... soon? Last edited by JusticePete; 02-24-2017 at 05:53 PM.

02-24-2017, 06:22 PM	#17131
Number 3 Hail to the King baby! Drives: '19 XT4 2.0T & '22 VW Atlas 2.0T Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 12,311	I'm still hopeful. Not sure why but I am. __________________ "Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley

02-24-2017, 06:51 PM	#17133
Bhobbs Drives: 2015 SS 1LE Red Hot, 1970 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 6,994	They should take all the ZL1 1LE aero, suspension, wheels and tires, put them on a SS and call it a SS 1LE ZL1 1LE. haha Or a 2LE and crush the GT350R. I guess there is always a microscopic chance of a Z/28 coming along. Just need to convince GM that team Camaro is worthy of getting an engine for it. __________________

02-24-2017, 05:03 PM	#17125
pat_t Drives: . Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: . Posts: 589	No 6th gen Z/28 then. And while that looks like a freaking cool car, as a Z28 owner I'm kinda glad. I don't think we'll ever see a N/A 7.0L motor now, I think the Gen5 Z/28s will be the last of that breed!

02-24-2017, 06:58 PM	#17134
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,366	Thats the spirit! __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

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