Stock 2010 GT500 vs. Magnuson 2SS

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

A lot of people give me flack for having a car that made ~650rwhp but only managing a PB time, at that level of boost, of 11.18 @ 130mph. But what they don't take into account it the fact that the suspension on my car is set up to maximize its handling and not its 1/8 or 1/4 mile performance.

Sure, I could remove the front swaybar, put some 90/10 and 50/50 struts/shocks on it, get a better tire with more sidewall flex than the 265/4018 M/T drag radial I run now, but I would be giving up something in other areas just for the sake of a better track time. No thanks.

I`m with you, for some its I have to be the absolute fastest in a straight line. But they should understand not everybody is looking to do that. I had friends who would absolutely gut their car to get a couple of tenths. Cars looked terrible. Crazy..

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

what good is that extra power in the cold air if the cold tires cant put it to the ground?

That's what he is saying.

Basically, it's a wash.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

That's what he is saying.

Basically, it's a wash.

It would have evened out more in the 1/4 mile than to 60 mph. However I believe that the magazines corrected the times (possibly trap speed as as well) because of the increased engine power due to conditions, but I don't think there was anything done to account for the loss of grip.

[Super83Z]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

So, it looks like my original estimate of 550-560 crank hp for the Magnuson-Camaro was pretty close.

Judging by the Hennessey car, not so much. 530 RWHP

[WILHELM]

Most people wont give the Mustang props but it deserves it. I give Ford props for keeping the Mustang fairly light weight even though the HP is on the short side. Stock for stock the GT500 Cobra is the king and will likely be unless GM gets it ass out of the massive hole its in right now.

Long live the Mustang,Long live the Camaro and long live the Challenger.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Super83Z

Judging by the Hennessey car, not so much. 530 RWHP

actually, very close. considering it has a catback and cai.

the tune is necessary though, but a better comparison would be with a tune only GT500.

[Super83Z]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

actually, very close. considering it has a catback and cai.

the tune is necessary though, but a better comparison would be with a tune only GT500.

.The cat-back and cai aren't worth much.

[ArcAngel]

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

Cold air, sticky track, lower tire pressure in the rear, add some air to the fronts..and have at it..
Shifting style plays a big factor in manuals times also...some people man handle the shifter...they push clutch all the way in all the way out(which isnt the right way..all of the time).etc..etc..all that stuff matters in tenths of time

I will add this in all the magazines both cars range in times from 4.7-5.1 for me the reality is this if you have equal drivers with equal temps it will be closer than we think. To me if you look at the average of times more times than not in the real world it will be about the driver. The Camaro's engine and trans, suspension are very impressive, but the fact that the Mustang is right there, and I believe can win with the right driver( ala photo finish) is all the more impressive

[Super83Z]

Originally Posted by ArcAngel

I will add this in all the magazines both cars range in times from 4.7-5.1 for me the reality is this if you have equal drivers with equal temps it will be closer than we think. To me if you look at the average of times more times than not in the real world it will be about the driver. The Camaro's engine and trans, suspension are very impressive, but the fact that the Mustang is right there, and I believe can win with the right driver( ala photo finish) is all the more impressive

Do you have any videos of stock 2010 GT track runs? I have only seen the magazine ones.

[ArcAngel]

Originally Posted by Super83Z

Do you have any videos of stock 2010 GT track runs? I have only seen the magazine ones.

No I dont have any videos of the 2010 running, I have been looking for them too as soon as i find one I will post it!

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Super83Z

.The cat-back and cai aren't worth much.

That's probably worth a good 20 rwhp on that car. Maybe even 30 rwhp.

I know on the 03/04 Cobra's it's worth a good ~40rwhp (20rwhp each). I wouldn't underestimate it.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by Super83Z

Do you have any videos of stock 2010 GT track runs? I have only seen the magazine ones.

I don't have any video, but I did get a chance to watch a couple of 2010 GT's make some passes at Beech Bend Raceway this past Tuesday (May 19th).

Both were brand new cars with less than 1000 miles on the clock and running in as-delivered trim. One was an auto w/3.31 gears and the other was a manual with 3.73 gears.

Best time I saw on the auto was 13.6 @ 102.6; best on the manual was 13.36@ 103.4

DA that evening was ~2024

Using the calculator to correct for DA, that would put the manual car at 13.049 @ 106.849 MPH.
I've yet to see any trim level of Camaro at that track year-to-date for comparison purposes.

[Wrath]

IMO (stock vs stock AND mod for mod):
GT500>Camaro SS>>Mustang GT
this is at the track and the strip. gt500 puts out better numbers than the camaro, but the camy puts out even more substantial numbers vs the gt. The mustang internals are limited to around 500 HP, with the camy's being about 650ish and the GT500 being far above that. Give the gt a supercharger and it makes ~500 BHP, give the maro a supercharger and it makes ~590 BHP... the mustang still hasn't made up enough HP to overcome the gap, and with the results ive seen, the camaro will have a MUCH better torque curve... leaving the gt behind from the getgo. Not bashing the gt, just trying to figure out the pecking order
Edit:
Best GT time ive seen: ~13.35
Best Camy time: ~12.9 (Also note that a 12.5 has been done with nothing else but CAI)
Im willing to bet we see a few ~12.8 bone stock (Especially after new gears next year)... and with CAI, a TVS, and maybe headers im thinking the camaro will be a tremendous daily driving 11 sec car!

[zman302]

The mustang has the advantage of being alot lighter, so lower horsepower numbers wont nessasarly make it slower. As for posted numbers, I think we need to see the 2 cars at the track at the same time so we can make real assesments of the cars track times, with real world drivers that know their cars. I'm all Camaro but I wish GM could of found a way to make this car atleast 300lbs lighter. The Camaro is only half a sec quicker as per the magazines and it makes over 100 horsepower more.