Mustangs................

[2010-1SS-IBM]

When you need to get that specific to find a scenario where the Mustang might beat the Camaro, you're pretty much conceding the point. In my opinion.

[Tal]

Originally Posted by Stew

The only things the Camaro has over the Mustang is acceleration and less fade prone brakes.

The Mustang had better handling, the interior carries better quality materials (better quality, not design because that is subjective), more interior room, bigger trunk, better steering on center.

Just at first glance you rather obviously ignored the ride quality advantage of the Camaro. You also mistakenly list the Mustang as having more interior room, the Camaro has 93 cubic feet of passenger space and 11 cubic feet of trunk space compared to the Mustang's 86 and 13. I had to look that one up as I just didn't believe the Camaro's interior was smaller having been in both. I did find Motor Trend making a quip about the Camaro's interior being smaller before I found the actual numbers so I'll mark that mistake down to Motor Trend doing their car reviews from the back seat and trunk areas rather than the drivers seat (which explains so much more about some of their other reviews).

*The steering advantage is rather questionable on Mustang's without the trackpack which isn't an option on V6 models (at least so far), although it is an advantage for GT buyers that pony up the extra $1500.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

When you need to get that specific to find a scenario where the Mustang might beat the Camaro, you're pretty much conceding the point. In my opinion.

Not exactly LOL. But anyways, just because I don't want to argue anymore you win, take your victory haha

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Tal

Just at first glance you rather obviously ignored the ride quality advantage of the Camaro. You also mistakenly list the Mustang as having more interior room, the Camaro has 93 cubic feet of passenger space and 11 cubic feet of trunk space compared to the Mustang's 86 and 13. I had to look that one up as I just didn't believe the Camaro's interior was smaller having been in both. I did find Motor Trend making a quip about the Camaro's interior being smaller before I found the actual numbers so I'll mark that mistake down to Motor Trend doing their car reviews from the back seat and trunk areas rather than the drivers seat (which explains so much more about some of their other reviews).

*The steering advantage is rather questionable on Mustang's without the trackpack which isn't an option on V6 models (at least so far), although it is an advantage for GT buyers that pony up the extra $1500.

Again, once you put everything in the basket, their pros cancel each other out.

Camaro Ride/Mustang Handling
Interior: Mustang
Room: The numbers say Camaro, but the room the Mustang has seems more usable after sitting in both I didn't the Camaros low roof at all, the Mustang seemed to be more headroom friendly. i would most likely call it a draw.

Visibility out the cabin: Mustang
power: Camaro
Brakes: Camaro

ith the Steering the on center feel should be the same with all Mustangs, it's the speed of the steering that changes in the Track Pack.

[levi1922]

we are arguing about speculated facts here. some of the only known facts are the engine outputs, but we dont know how those numbers translate to 0-60 times or 1/4 miles. We do not know how well the brembo brakes will stop the car, we dont know how well the track pack will feel in the corners.

basically, what im saying is that i am going to put off forming an opinion until the car is actually driven/built.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Stew

As stated, acceleration and fade free brakes, this course probably had less turns and long straightaways, change to a tighter course with less room to accelerate and the result could be wholly different.

Yes make it a whole big curve because that is what truly measures the overall performance of a vehicle . To me, if you want to test the VEHICLE's performance, go to drag strip. If you want to factor in the DRIVER's ability, then go to a trackcourse.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Stew

Again, once you put everything in the basket, their pros cancel each other out.

Camaro Ride/Mustang Handling
Interior: Mustang
Room: The numbers say Camaro, but the room the Mustang has seems more usable after sitting in both I didn't the Camaros low roof at all, the Mustang seemed to be more headroom friendly. i would most likely call it a draw.

Visibility out the cabin: Mustang
power: Camaro
Brakes: Camaro

ith the Steering the on center feel should be the same with all Mustangs, it's the speed of the steering that changes in the Track Pack.

What do you mean by the Mustang winning interior? I hope your talking about features/number of options.

[Tal]

Originally Posted by Stew

Room: The numbers say Camaro, but the room the Mustang has seems more usable after sitting in both I didn't the Camaros low roof at all, the Mustang seemed to be more headroom friendly. i would most likely call it a draw.

It's close enough that each will fit different people differently, neither is as cramped as a 370 or as roomy as a Challenger.

Originally Posted by a_Username

What do you mean by the Mustang winning interior? I hope your talking about features/number of options.

From earlier posts quality of interior materials, and I would generally agree that the 2010 Mustang wins here even though I prefer the Camaro's interior due to it's design.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Show me where you did, besides in this post.

LOL. What are you talking about? You do realize that there has to be something not to acknowledge in the fiorst place...right? So, show me a post where anybody pointed out anything factual about hrsepower and I refused to acknowledge it? Can you even follow the stuff you type?

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Seemed to me that the article was about the new engines. I didn't see anything there about the rest of the car.

Tell me again, what was the title of this thread? Again, as for the redirection to weight, I suggest to you talk to the home team about that.

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

The Camaro is heavy? Does that make the GT500 out-and-out fat? And why is the GT500 heavier than the Camaro, when, according to the Mustang guys, adding horsepower to Fords only decreases the weight?

I thought you didn't want to talk about weight?

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

I know I brought up weight and cost as two factors that could change due to the new engine and power. I could care less about who's got the better airbags.

So, you are complaining about issues other than horsepower being dicussed within this thread, but admit to being the one who brought the weight issue up in the first place? As for airbags, when the topic of weight was broached within this very thread, apparently by you, 'safety' was brought up as the reason why the car would get heavier soon thereafter.

Being the kind soul that I am I merely pointed out that the Mustang already meets every safety requirement it is going to need to meet for the next several years, and as such I brought up the extreme likelihood that all that will be needed to finish the job are a pair of rear seat headbags.

So, if weight is going to kill the Mustang's power advantage, and if safety is the reason that weight will go up, then we can only assume that...if a pair of small airbags are all that is needed to rememdy the dreaded 'safety issue', those must be some really heavy airbags.

Of course, I could just sum this up for you quickly. For 2011 the base Mustang gets a new engine that outpowers the V6 mill in the Camaro by every measurable standard, despite the lack of DI, and will do so while resideing under the hood of a car which is considerably lighter than is the Chevy. However, since GM claimed that the Camaro is the whale that it is because of safety features, GM fans assumed that the Mustang somehow must not meet those same standards and will therefore magically gain four tons of mass prior to the 2012 model year.

Unortunately, GM snowed you. The Camaro is heavy because it is based on a full size car platform, not because of safety features. There will be no weight gain for the V6 Mustang, and there may even be weight loss, further stretching the power to weight ratio advantage in favor of the Ford.

You try to be nice to some people, but they just can't stand it.

[BaylorCamaro]

I've spent the last hour reading this entire thread, pretty interesting stuff and kept me entertained for a while. Anyways, just thought I'd chime in here. First of all you can't go and say the 2011 mustang is going to run X time in the 0 to 60 and X time in the quarter mile until it actually does, it's just speculation, it could be better or it could be worse then what we think. When you start to talk about the interior of the vehicles, a lot of that is opinion.. One of my good friends has a mustang and I have a camaro, granted some of the interior quality is better in the mustang but I much prefer the interior of the camaro, just my opinion. I have plenty of room in the camaro (I'm 6'2, 215) I could care less about backseat room, if I cared then I would have kept my truck, I'm more concerned about the driver and passenger side and that's about it.

Lets face it, the camaro will always weigh more and as updated camaros come out they will have more hp, while the mustangs will always weigh less yet able to compete with less hp.

After reading these 9 pages it's been made clear to me that it is pointless to argue any further until the mustang actually comes out and its stats become concrete. Both are great cars and it comes down to the driver and what exactly it is they want. 90% of the owners of these cars aren't going to be racing them to the point where the time differences are going to be huge and the other 10% of us who do, well there are tons of mods out there (or will be) for both cars to be completable on just about any level depending how deep your wallet goes.

In the end we're the ones driving the muscle cars that are way better than any ricer out there!

[Vega]

Ive always been more of a Camaro guy, but the news of the Coyote really peaks my interest, although it urks me cause we all know the 400hp is rated at the crank, sooo we're talkin like 375 in reality, but still thats a big improvement...ive seen the new Mustang Creator thing on i think Ford's website (its like a more in-depth builder tool than the standard builder) you cant actually order the stuff you build from the factory but you can order the car and parts altogether and have the dealer install it all for you...messing with that i got some pretty awsome stuff...and a black 2011 Mustang with 400hp, red interior, red "BOSS" style stripes, and a big ole' shaker hood just might be what it takes to send me to the other side

...at least until the Z/28 ;-)

[derklug]

Originally Posted by BaylorAirForce

I've spent the last hour reading this entire thread, pretty interesting stuff and kept me entertained for a while. Anyways, just thought I'd chime in here. First of all you can't go and say the 2011 mustang is going to run X time in the 0 to 60 and X time in the quarter mile until it actually does, it's just speculation, it could be better or it could be worse then what we think. When you start to talk about the interior of the vehicles, a lot of that is opinion.. One of my good friends has a mustang and I have a camaro, granted some of the interior quality is better in the mustang but I much prefer the interior of the camaro, just my opinion. I have plenty of room in the camaro (I'm 6'2, 215) I could care less about backseat room, if I cared then I would have kept my truck, I'm more concerned about the driver and passenger side and that's about it.

Lets face it, the camaro will always weigh more and as updated camaros come out they will have more hp, while the mustangs will always weigh less yet able to compete with less hp.

After reading these 9 pages it's been made clear to me that it is pointless to argue any further until the mustang actually comes out and its stats become concrete. Both are great cars and it comes down to the driver and what exactly it is they want. 90% of the owners of these cars aren't going to be racing them to the point where the time differences are going to be huge and the other 10% of us who do, well there are tons of mods out there (or will be) for both cars to be completable on just about any level depending how deep your wallet goes.

In the end we're the ones driving the muscle cars that are way better than any ricer out there!

And stock Camaros or Mustangs on the roads are not the ones that will be lining up against each other. Racers mod.

[Super83Z]

I remember when the 3.6 came out GM said that motor was good for 370hp in factory trim, so I wouldn't count GM out yet.

[BaylorCamaro]

Originally Posted by derklug

And stock Camaros or Mustangs on the roads are not the ones that will be lining up against each other. Racers mod.

My Point Exactly.


btw when I first read that post I thought you said Ricers mod, to which I thought yeah I know they add a shitty exhaust and stickers hahaha.. sorry just got back from PT, brain isn't fully functional..