Al O. believes ZL1 still faster

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

The new GT500 will beat the ZL1 in a straight line race. Road course is where GM targeted to whoop the snake.

Originally Posted by fbodfather

ah!

I see!


Now - where was that drag race held???

Originally Posted by Wondering

He "simulated" it...............

Originally Posted by fbodfather

XBOX 360.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

Fbod, can you confirm that GM will back the warranties if ZL1 owners break something on the race track? That would be awesome for peace of mind of some future ZL1 owners here!

If you break something on your 1968 Galaxie, Ford will not **I'm pretty sure** --honor the warranty!

I cannot comment on GM warranty issues.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by Brent Hinds

Hi fbodfather, I just had a couple quick questions.



Now that Mr. Oppenheiser has made a specific statement that he doesn't think the GT500 will be able to beat ZL1 0-60 based on simulation, should the GT500 end up being able to better the ZL1 time of 3.9, what do you foresee him stating in response?

It will be interesting to see what happens 0-60, especially now that there is some credibility riding on it. He obviously feels confident in the engineering simulations done to this point.



Can you share what Al would consider the consequences of being wrong?

It is not appropriate for me to comment for Al.

To everyone --

Within the various posts on this site, I'm saying that Mr. Oppenheiser is a great engineer and that he eats, sleeps, and breathes Camaro. He's been a Camaro Enthusiast for years - and as he says to me: he's got a dream job and loves what he does.

My point in all of this: We have people making comments - some of them borderline inappropriate - and some of the comments make it sound like he just made statements without thinking this through or looking at data or using the knowledge base of his own - or the collective knowledge base of the Team. Nothing could be further from the truth.

If anyone goes back and reads some of my posts, I talk about the fact that we learned many years ago that when you put something in writing - be it on paper or out in cyberspace - people will search down your words years later and try to beat you to a pulp with them should you have later been proven to be inaccurate.

So - I believe that those at Team Camaro who DO post or write or speak during an interview - think things thru for the most part before making declarations.

Also to keep in mind: Many of the thoughts you're hearing were his answers to questions by journalists at a Press Ride and Drive.

[radz28]

I heard if Al O' is wrong, he'll take his life in the most dispicable way...

Lord - what do you think will happen? Sheesh. If he's wrong - he's got some justification to get ZL1 back out there with more firepower, refinement, etc. When hasn't GM stood up to the challenge?

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

If you break something on your 1968 Galaxie, Ford will not **I'm pretty sure** --honor the warranty!

I cannot comment on GM warranty issues.

Who do we ask then about gm covering the warranty for track use?

[radz28]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

Who do we ask then about gm covering the warranty for track use?

I really doubt you're going to get an answer to questions like these. It's going to be difficult to prove for or against abuse, so what do you think is the answer? Talk to your dealer. They have contacts within warranty departments that could give you an idea - but they aren't going to say yes or no until they have a car in hand, tore down, and inspected.

GM does not make race cars, so it's not reasonable to expect the to warranty for racing.

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by radz28

I really doubt you're going to get an answer to questions like these. It's going to be difficult to prove for or against abuse, so what do you think is the answer? Talk to your dealer. They have contacts within warranty departments that could give you an idea - but they aren't going to say yes or no until they have a car in hand, tore down, and inspected.

GM does not make race cars, so it's not reasonable to expect the to warranty for racing.

I didnt think they would cover it but theres people here saying that it would be covered and then there are others saying that it wouldn't.just thought there would be a straight answer to clear any confusion

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

It's not a matter of knowing details before they've released it.

It's a simple matter of being professionals in a business with far more cumulative intelligence and computing capabilities that we do, here. They don't bench-race. They can simulate conditions to near-reality with a negligible margin of error...

I'm sure they've benchmarked everything on their GT500 tester. I'm sure they could build that car themselves if they wanted to. With that in mind -- they could take what Ford has released, get some random factoids from suppliers, and as engineers with expertise in the field; use their best judgement to do what they're 99% sure Ford would do...and simulate. I'd be shocked if they didn't use a best-case scenario (from Ford's view) to ensure they've got their bases covered...

And then answer questions candidly when asked to tick off the competition.

It's not that impossible (pun regarding the picture, . They DO know more than we think they do...(on both sides of the battle).

.....they already know the answers people...
They have done their homework....it's what they do.....they have the technology, experience, and intellectual ability. They think outside the box, they inovate, test, re-test, and test some more. It'a all quantifiable and based on principle's of science. Oh, by the way did I mention that...
.....they already know the answers.......

[Brent Hinds]

Originally Posted by radz28

Lord - what do you think will happen? Sheesh

I don't know. That's why I asked. Fbodfather works with Al and made two posts indicating that Al had thought over "consequences" if he was wrong. I was curious what he thought those might be.

[ffrcobra_65]

I am sure I am one of those you are referring to as making statements vs. Al O. I don't idolize people who build cars or whatever. You build a product, if I like it, I will buy it. I am not one of who will idolize and because you engineered a car I happen to like. I am not your casual Transformers yuppie Camaro owner who will believe without hard proof (not simulations) that a 580hp car can beat a *minimum 650hp with less weight in everything just because the "engineer" said so. Not especially when the 580hp car was nose to nose with a 444hp in a drag race car in recent testing.

I work for a large company...the largest in the field as a matter of fact..and it is not unusual for an executive to issue statements that we often call "smoke screen" to the real facts...some call it "Damage Control". Unfortunately, in business where millions of sales profit $$ (on a specific product) are at stake, in the grand scheme of a company's bottom line, one's words are not as important as net profit and loss profits. Someone has to "make a speech" to rally the troops (or customers) so to speak. If Al's bold bench-racing/simulations statements prove to be 100% true in actual ZL1 vs 2013GT500 testing, (and I hope he is right) then I will believe everything else that man has to say going forward. Until then, it is all smoke screen and damage control to me. I made up my mind about buying the ZL1 before Al's "Camaro Nation" letter. It will be my 7th Camaro and it will take a spot next to my GT500.

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

If anyone goes back and reads some of my posts, I talk about the fact that we learned many years ago that when you put something in writing - be it on paper or out in cyberspace - people will search down your words years later and try to beat you to a pulp with them should you have later been proven to be inaccurate.

So - I believe that those at Team Camaro who DO post or write or speak during an interview - think things thru for the most part before making declarations.

Exactly fbodfather!!!. May I use your quote Sir as an intro for a post about "speech" in general on C5?. Spoken words can be spun, reneged upon, argued, twisted around, denied, or otherwise "forgotten" due to "poor memory" or "recollection" by the author and are to a point, defensible. Words were the sword I used on my previous battlefield to do combat. Written, audio taped, typed, digitally taped, e-mailed, or electronically transmitted in any form, are means of "hard copy" utterances. They are forever, and are undeniable and unretractable. If documented communications are done in an embarrassing, impolite, harmfull, hurfull, or in any otherwise unpleasant "negative light" surrounding the author of such communication, then perceivably they could be slowly pulled apart syllable by syllable at the leisure of anyone choosing to do so. Moral to the story people. If you write it, you own it. There's no turning back. As Dragoneye says; Read before you post. I would like to make an adendum to that and say; Think of what you are saying before you post it. The unwarranted, uncivil rhetoric is a bit too much around here at times. Thanks for your time.
A publice service announcement.

[SUX2BU]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

I am sure I am one of those you are referring to as making statements vs. Al O. I don't idolize people who build cars or whatever. You build a product, if I like it, I will buy it. I am not one of who will idolize and because you engineered a car I happen to like. I am not your casual Transformers yuppie Camaro owner who will believe without hard proof (not simulations) that a 580hp car can beat a *minimum 650hp with less weight in everything just because the "engineer" said so. Not especially when the 580hp car was nose to nose with a 444hp in a drag race car in recent testing.

I work for a large company...the largest in the field as a matter of fact..and it is not unusual for an executive to issue statements that we often call "smoke screen" to the real facts...some call it "Damage Control". Unfortunately, in business where millions of sales profit $$ (on a specific product) are at stake, in the grand scheme of a company's bottom line, one's words are not as important as net profit and loss profits. Someone has to "make a speech" to rally the troops (or customers) so to speak. If Al's bold bench-racing/simulations statements prove to be 100% true in actual ZL1 vs 2013GT500 testing, (and I hope he is right) then I will believe everything else that man has to say going forward. Until then, it is all smoke screen and damage control to me. I made up my mind about buying the ZL1 before Al's "Camaro Nation" letter. It will be my 7th Camaro and it will take a spot next to my GT500.

I idolize you for this statement.

[Happy_Dan]

SOS

[Blue Menace]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

I am sure I am one of those you are referring to as making statements vs. Al O. I don't idolize people who build cars or whatever. You build a product, if I like it, I will buy it. I am not one of who will idolize and because you engineered a car I happen to like. I am not your casual Transformers yuppie Camaro owner who will believe without hard proof (not simulations) that a 580hp car can beat a *minimum 650hp with less weight in everything just because the "engineer" said so. Not especially when the 580hp car was nose to nose with a 444hp in a drag race car in recent testing.

I work for a large company...the largest in the field as a matter of fact..and it is not unusual for an executive to issue statements that we often call "smoke screen" to the real facts...some call it "Damage Control". Unfortunately, in business where millions of sales profit $$ (on a specific product) are at stake, in the grand scheme of a company's bottom line, one's words are not as important as net profit and loss profits. Someone has to "make a speech" to rally the troops (or customers) so to speak. If Al's bold bench-racing/simulations statements prove to be 100% true in actual ZL1 vs 2013GT500 testing, (and I hope he is right) then I will believe everything else that man has to say going forward. Until then, it is all smoke screen and damage control to me. I made up my mind about buying the ZL1 before Al's "Camaro Nation" letter. It will be my 7th Camaro and it will take a spot next to my GT500.

So you will trust him if he's right this time? Don't you think fbodfather trusts him for the very same reason? And that he has many more instances we aren't privy to that supports his trust?