2012 ZL1 vs. 2012 Boss 302

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

The new ZL585 ran an 11.5 with street tires. The GT500 has hit 11.1 with nothing but stickies.

The ZL1 will be just fine against a boss in the 1/4.

Thanks for some common sense injected into the picture.

Put the ZL1 on a well prepped track in similar conditions (low DA) with a skilled driver and some sticky drag radials and it will be a low 11 sec car trapping a lot more than 117 mph.

Same day, same track, both cars with drag tires and a skilled driver it will be all ZL1 (no contest).

[thePill]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

Thanks for some common sense injected into the picture.

Put the ZL1 on a well prepped track in similar conditions (low DA) with a skilled driver and some sticky drag radials and it will be a low 11 sec car trapping a lot more than 117 mph.

Same day, same track, both cars with drag tires and a skilled driver it will be all ZL1 (no contest).

The Boss will definitely not out drag the ZL1, Drag radials or slicks. The street tire competition will be more interesting though as will the road course shootout. The Boss has an advantage over 99% of the cars that have a road course reputation. It also will depend on the track too and the time of year these cars race. A hot summer day would be an obstacle for any supercharged V8.

[big dave]

Originally Posted by thePill

The Boss will definitely not out drag the ZL1, Drag radials or slicks. The street tire competition will be more interesting though as will the road course shootout. The Boss has an advantage over 99% of the cars that have a road course reputation. It also will depend on the track too and the time of year these cars race. A hot summer day would be an obstacle for any supercharged V8.

This remains to be seen. With the boss already running 11.7s on slicks we'll have to see if the ZL1 can do that without breaking its rear. I've heard too many horror stories about the camaros' weak links...past and present.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by big dave

This remains to be seen. With the boss already running 11.7s on slicks we'll have to see if the ZL1 can do that without breaking its rear. I've heard too many horror stories about the camaros' weak links...past and present.

Do you mean the half shafts? I think GM is putting alot of beef there along with the differential and driveshaft. I have heard horror stories too. Thats the first thing they probably looked at before building, 40lb halfshafts and super U joints... I really want to see the size of the shafts, they should be put up on GMPP because I know the modded SS guys would love to get there hands on those.

Horsepower+Torque x Weight+Traction= Incredible Drivetrain Stress

[big dave]

Originally Posted by thePill

Do you mean the half shafts? I think GM is putting alot of beef there along with the differential and driveshaft. I have heard horror stories too. Thats the first thing they probably looked at before building, 40lb halfshafts and super U joints... I really want to see the size of the shafts, they should be put up on GMPP because I know the modded SS guys would love to get there hands on those.

Horsepower+Torque x Weight+Traction= Incredible Drivetrain Stress

It's funny that even when ford was making far less power/torque than GM, they always made sure that their rears were up to the task of taking a beating. I hope the general has cured these problems with the ZL1 because this is an important consideration if you plan on doing any kind of drag racing.

Like you said, hp,weight and traction can be very deadly when mixed together.

I'm looking at both pony cars now, hoping to make a purchase soon. I drag race quite a bit and really would like to feel comfortable being able launch at 4k if necessary.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by big dave

It's funny that even when ford was making far less power/torque than GM, they always made sure that their rears were up to the task of taking a beating. I hope the general has cured these problems with the ZL1 because this is an important consideration if you plan on doing any kind of drag racing.

Like you said, hp,weight and traction can be very deadly when mixed together.

I'm looking at both pony cars now, hoping to make a purchase soon. I drag race quite a bit and really would like to feel comfortable being able launch at 4k if necessary.

GM specifically stated that a beefier driveshaft, a new cast iron differential and beefier halfshafts would be used in the ZL1. I have seen aftermarket halfshafts withstand some abuse, along with some pretty thick U joints.

[BigDan]

Originally Posted by big dave

I'm looking at both pony cars now, hoping to make a purchase soon. I drag race quite a bit and really would like to feel comfortable being able launch at 4k if necessary.

If you like to launch HARD then I would stay away from IRS. The new GT's are lifting the front tires off the ground on a stock powered 5.0L with a dead hook and cutting 1.6 second 60 foots.

The new 5.0L is hands down better suited for abusive street strip duty due to its SRA, light weight, aggressive gearing, better drag wheel/ tire/ gear selection, strong factory components and since its never left the market there is a ton of affordable aftermarket parts to suit your needs. You can be in the 11's with a set of DR's and a tune, 10's with mild bolt on's and 9's with a Ford Racing TVS supercharger, all without pulling the valve covers. You can also get its curb weight down to 3,100lbs fairly easy and with out breaking the bank.

[Mr CLuTcH]

Says the mustang guys........

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by Mr CLuTcH

Says the mustang guys........

What's next? Stock GT's run 9s.

Even though I put like 6 car lengths on a new GT the last time I was at the track.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by big dave

I'm looking at both pony cars now, hoping to make a purchase soon. I drag race quite a bit and really would like to feel comfortable being able launch at 4k if necessary.

What price range are you looking in? If you are dead serious about drag racing and don't care about a daily driver, look at Ford Racing, GM Performance Parts and Mopar. Just go all the way, the pure breed drag cars wont have IRS, it will be factory solid axle rear ends.

They are not street legal though.

[big dave]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

What's next? Stock GT's run 9s.

Even though I put like 6 car lengths on a new GT the last time I was at the track.

Yeah but you're not stock.

[newmoon]

You didn't hear the updates from the Team Ford Camp. New GTs are 11 second cars with nothing more than drag radials. 2010 & 11 GT500s run 11:20 stock with drag radials. The Boss runs 11:70s stock with radials. Lets see did I miss anything. Oh yeah the 2003/04 Cobra (which is my favorite ford) is lucky to hit 12:50 stock on radials. And Camaros well they don't even rank.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by big dave

Yeah but you're not stock.

If you are set on the Camaro, look at LMR's 8+ month build progression. They used the LSX to get into the 9s', I can't tell you at what point they swapped out the LS3. Lingenfelter is very expensive but is also quality. They changed out the LS3 after about a year for the LS9 and run low 10s'.
Hennessey has some nice packages, they are alittle pricey but they do a complete tear down/rebuild. They still use an LS3 but are not faster than LMR or Lingenfelter because of the LS7/LSX. SLP is probably the cheapest option if you are staying with the LS3 and have a 11.5 second package available. There is an aftermarket cast differential and half shaft swap from G-Force if you have any worries about them snapping.


If your already set on the Mustang, follow Evo Performance's progression in the 2011 Mustang. They did some incredible things in a very short time, I think 8's in under 6 months. There is also JPC, American Muscle, Lethal and Livernois are also great companies.. You have your standard packages from Roush, Steeda, Saleen and SMS.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by big dave

Yeah but you're not stock.

That's not my point. I know a stock GT is faster than a stock L99 Camaro.

Mustang guys
"Stock GTs run low 12s."
"Stock GT's with drag radials run 11s."
"Stock motor GTs lift the wheels"
etc
etc
When I'm at the track, my lightly modded L99 beats stock GTs by many cars lengths. If stock GTs run low 12s, they should run neck and neck with my car. The fact is they don't when I'm at the track. That's my point.