Kenne Bell 2010 camaro kits 2.8, 3.6, 4.2 available

[J-Dog]

Originally Posted by Total_Perf_Eng

Yep, not bad for 7.5 psi, and an A6.

I see you have a stroked Ls7. Prolly a 440?? Mine was making just under 600rwhp, 569rwtq. It was fun as hell.

Yep. It's 442ci with AFR 225 heads. I road race my Vette. My cam/head combo makes big torque/hp numbers down low. I have over 500rwtq from 2500 rpm to my 7400rpm redline. A great car for both the street and the track.

Did KB ever solve their heating problem? A guy that runs with us tried to RR a KB on an LS6. He worked with KB for a while but never overcame the heat issues and gave up.

[Total_Perf_Eng]

There are about 4 or 6 guys that currently RR their KB cars without issues. But they do take alot of planning and preperation. Its not a bolt and go kinda deal.
I dont know who your speaking of..

Heating problems are no more an issue on a KB, than every other top mount on the market.

Originally Posted by J-Dog

Yep. It's 442ci with AFR 225 heads. I road race my Vette. My cam/head combo makes big torque/hp numbers down low. I have over 500rwtq from 2500 rpm to my 7400rpm redline. A great car for both the street and the track.

Did KB ever solve their heating problem? A guy that runs with us tried to RR a KB on an LS6. He worked with KB for a while but never overcame the heat issues and gave up.

[Total_Perf_Eng]

Wow Jim/Ken, great info...

Its good that you pointed the potential customers over to your tech section. Its one thing to make "Claims", but its another to have thousands of words worth of data for any potential customers to read.

Keep up the great work, and not RUSHING a kit to market just so you can be the first to say you have it.

We are looking forward to installing these bad boys, as I think as of the last tally we have 6 cars awaiting your system.

Originally Posted by TECH@KB

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Dustin,

We’ve had to respond to your negative and/or untrue or misleading posts regarding Kenne Bell products before. Looks like this time is no exception.
First of all, Total_Perf_Eng NEVER MENTIONED WHIPPLE. He was just stating his opinion about Kenne Bell. So what makes you jump in here and falsely claim that "almost none of the facts that TPE (Total Performance Engineering) posted were true"? You take 12 shots at Kenne Bell:


1. Yes TPE mistakenly said "Patented" instead of "Patent Pending" so you set him afire. Are you still upset because you couldn’t find out or understand what our Patents were all about until 5.0 Mustang and Muscle Mustang and Fast Fords came out with the 3.6LC. Surprised, weren’t you? Watch when next comes the Camaro 2.8 article in Super Chevy. Followed by more 3.6LC tests. What we find humorous is you are now claiming you’re going to do a liquid cooled supercharger! One side of your face says "Doesn’t work" while the other says "We’re doing our own". Sort of like a dog chasing his own tail. You call out Total_Perf_Eng because he claims KB has the only Liquid Cooled (LC). But we do. Then you say "you’re coming out with one". Isn’t Total_Perf_Eng correct?

2. We believe that our own extruded cnc’d billet 6082 T6 case is STRONGER than a billet block-twice as strong and hard as castings out of a mold or die. Definitely stronger with less flex and distortion than ANY casting with either rib cage or waffle pattern fins. One would have to be living under a rock for the last 50 years to not understand or believe the advantages of billet or extruded billet over castings.

3. Not true, Dustin. Our advanced 4X6 rotor profiles were designed during the last 4 years (2006-2010) by our own engineers - the 3 most experienced and knowledgeable twin screw engineers on the planet with 38 years of combined twin screw experience. Not in the "80's as you claim". Your lone "designer" in Sweden isn’t even an engineer, is he? And 4X6 rotors do out perform 3X5's. We can prove it. You would realize this if you ever get a real 400HP+ supercharger dyno test cell instead of that little 120HP electric motor and become capable of measuring the CFM and power consumption of larger displacement superchargers.

4. Name one advantage of cast aluminum parts over billet, forged or extruded-except cost or weight. Porosity? Heat soaking fins? Case & fins sealed with paint to trap heat? Structural integrity? You believe castings are so good? Should all the Camaro guys throw their extruded billet rocker arms in the dumpster and replace them with cheaper aluminum castings? How about their pistons, rods crankshaft, gears, etc. Replace them with cast? Or their forged or billet gears, cams, cranks, pumps, fuel rails etc. Why not cast?

5. Our 3.6 and 4.2 are available only as polished. The 2.8 is black anodized or polished. But go ahead and show us your "proven tests". Might also check out if those supercharger fins are there to strengthen the case or absorb that hot underhood air.

6. Total_Perf_Eng didn’t know we sold our engine dyno, the ONLY statement he made that wasn’t true. I like and use the Westech Dyno because it’s the most accurate and repeatable engine dyno I’ve ever seen and all the magazine tech people use it for their tests. Also 99% of KB dyno tests are on our Dynojet. We recently backed up our chassis dyno tests and tested our Mammoth kits on the Westech engine dyno. 1025HP 2.8 and 1133HP 3.6 on the Shelby Gt500, 6.1 hemi-1018. Camaro 6.2 next week - we’re shooting for 1150+. All Westech and Dynojet tests will be posted.

7. Yes, we’ve been testing twin screws since 1990. Isn’t 20 years long enough? My 1997 Expedition (now owned by my brother) has over 190,000 miles on it with the original billet case supercharger. We’ve inspected it year after year for the last 12 years - it’s never even been rebuilt!

8. You claim Total_Perf_Eng’s comment that Kenne Bell is the ONLY water cooled supercharger is NOT TRUE. Yet you admit in this post that you DON’T HAVE ONE - but introducing one shortly. Dustin, he is correct. You DO NOT HAVE ONE.

9. The SPE (Seal Pressure Equalization) or "vent valve" isn’t yet patented with the other 3 but we’re 99% confident that it along with LC will be. Patent Pending, like ANY Patent must first be applied for. A Patent can’t be immediately issued, of course. We think everyone here knows that.

10. A joke you say? Whipple is a TRUE mfg. and KB isn’t? You are confused. Kenne Bell is building complete twin screw kits in house, in the U.S. We assemble, test, dyno test and calibrate all in house. Do you really believe GM or Kenne Bell are NOT "true" mfgs. because they operate plants in different countries and assemble in another? Because they out source they are not a "true" mfg. like Whipple? When Whipple goes into production on the Camaro kit then they too will also be a "turnkey" just as Total_Perf_Eng stated.

Another issue that must be cleared up is you’re obviously obsessed about where Kenne Bell superchargers are manufactured. All twin rotor screws - except for Techo - have been manufactured in Sweden for years and shipped to the U.S. We have the three best twin screw engineers on the planet at HPS. Kenne Bell and HPS, our affiliate in Sweden, are partners in the design, testing and tuning and manufacturing of supercharger kits. Kenne Bell for the U.S. and HPS outside the U.S.

Manufacturing of the compressors is done by HPS in Sweden. They are shipped to the U.S. where Kenne Bell assembles them with our in-house kit components. Kenne Bell is the manufacturer. Test cars and trucks are present at both HPS and Kenne Bell. Our kits and superchargers flow freely between the locations. The supercharger dyno is located at HPS. The chassis dyno, air and fuel flow benches, and all other test equipment and tuning are performed in-house at Kenne Bell. We are partners with HPS. The new Patent Pending 3.6LC and 4.2LC Liquid Cooled superchargers are registered under both companies.

11. Dustin, we had this "Whipple is the only Twin Screw mfg. in the U.S." debate before. You even implied KB was unpatriotic for mfg. our rotors and cases in Sweden. No one wants to hear the rhetoric. But it’s O.K. for Whipple to buy rotors from England. Whipple continues to buy rotors from England. Oops! So you buy castings in the U.S. and assemble kits in the U.S. FYI, Kenne Bell also buys castings in the U.S. and assemble kits in the U.S. But we mfg our rotors and billet extrusions in Sweden where the rotors and cases are assembled as a unit then they are 100% tested by our engineers. We do not like shipping rotors and cases separately to the U.S.

So, how do you get off always calling KB an "importer" and Whipple a "true U.S. mfg."? Get over it - we both use imported parts and then assemble kits in America, like millions of other businesses. Makes us no less patriotic.

12. Total_Perf_Eng probably believes KB is the leader in Ford supercharger applications because of our new Patent Pending Technology-and the fact that we were (1.) first to introduce Ford to the twin screw in 1991 (2.) first to engineer Ford truck kits and (3.) first with twin screw upgrade kits for 03-04 Cobras, Lightnings and GT500s. We’ve replaced a LOT of Eatons on Fords over the years. What is also humorous and flattering is that you have always followed in our footsteps (reference the "were releasing water cooled units shortly") lagging behind us every step of the way, copying everything we do. Just like the GT500s, 03/04 Cobras, GT Mustangs, etc... and now, our Liquid Cooled superchargers?

FYI, one big reason that Ford "picked Whipple" is because Kenne Bell does not sell to OEM’s and never will. Not interested . Nothing against FRP, we recommend their products-except for Whipple of course. They are great people. Yes, Shelby has chosen to also offer the Whipple 3.3 kit as an option on the Super Snakes, but why are the vast majority of Super Snake owners still choosing the 2.8H kit? Perhaps because the 3.3 doesn’t make as much HP as we have already proven. And why did Mr. Norm pick the KB 2.8 and 3.6 kits for the 09'-10' Dodge Hemis? But then, no one here is interested in what you or we do for Ford or Dodge anyway. They want to know what we are going to do for them.

Modern Muscle chose Kenne Bell for all their 2010 Camaros. Our #1 goal at Kenne Bell has never changed. Offer our Camaro customers engineering expertise, comprehensive tech and offer more product and performance for their money than our competition. 42 years and we’re still here - stronger than ever. Over 100 kits back ordered already, so we can only assume our kit is being accepted by Camaro owners.

Dustin, there is plenty of business for everyone. Chill out and promote the product features. You might take the time to clarify up front if your dyno tests are for automatic or both. We do. You also might want to ease up a little on the Camaro guys comments - and be sure of the accuracy of your own.

I personally promise that everyone at KB will do their best for our new Camaro customers. We are into Camaro supercharging for the long run. And Kenne Bell is not new to GM either. We started out engineering and selling Buick racing equipment in 1968, Buick Turbo GN’s in 1986, then the 1990 Syclone/Typhoon, GM truck supercharger kits in 2004 and now the real fun-the 2010 Camaros. We also promise to supply our customers with accurate back-to-back one product at a time product tests.

Jim Bell

[PatrickfromMD]

Just ran across this, thought it was quite informative, and pulley selection charts to boot!
http://www.kennebell.net/techinfo/gm...Camaro_FAQ.pdf
Seems to compare technologies of the Whipple and Edelbrock (without mentioning them by name)
(Hope it’s not a repost as I don’t recall seeing it in earlier threads, and it has a 1/21 create date)
P.S. personally, I'm still on the fence between the Kenne Bell, and the Whipple. Waiting to seem them both take to the ring. on the dyno as competition sparks innovation

[will69camaro]

Your link is busted: http://www.kennebell.net/techinfo/gm...Camaro_FAQ.pdf

That one works.

William

[J-Dog]

Originally Posted by Total_Perf_Eng

Heating problems are no more an issue on a KB, than every other top mount on the market.

Interesting, I have not seen this problem except on the KB. Not to say others do not have the problem but the group I run with I have not seen them.

Do you have any road race references?

[Total_Perf_Eng]

I suggest you take a quick look at the tech section on KB's website. They've got a bunch of good technical info for you, as well as comparisons with all the other PD blowers on the market.


Good luck in your endevors.

Originally Posted by J-Dog

Interesting, I have not seen this problem except on the KB. Not to say others do not have the problem but the group I run with I have not seen them.

Do you have any road race references?

[grocerygetter]

KB impresses me.

[J-Dog]

Originally Posted by Total_Perf_Eng

I suggest you take a quick look at the tech section on KB's website.

I did not find any information on RR setups.

I want to build a SC Penkse Trans Am like car from the new Camaro. Not a full race but a car that looks like the Penske and can handle itself at HPDEs. So far I am leaning toward the LS9 or a Maggy. I have seen both hold up well the few times I have seen them run on the tracks near me.

I am interested in a twin screw but have some doubts about the rear intake. I think I could overcome the rear inlet with the raised TA hood and cowl intake. I am not interested in being a test bed for the SC basic kit. If you could point me at some forums where I could read up on people who have RR'd the KB, it would be a great help.

Thanks,

[radz28]

Let me just say that I'm being pushed close to the edge of issuing infractions. Please keep posts respectful, relevent, and not suggestive... Don't hate 'cause I can't spell either

[Bell040]

10 pages and no price anywhere...

gees

[Total_Perf_Eng]

I posted in the other thread, that I have official pricing, and that anyone who is interested in purchasing a kit, to give me a PM, and I will give the price breakdows.

KB will be posting it on their website in the very near future, but until they do, I want to do it by PM only of of respect for their policies.

But I am more than happy to give it to you in writing. This isnt one of those "Call for pricing, cuz its too low to print" BS things..

Originally Posted by Bell040

10 pages and no price anywhere...

gees

[Mike@KB]

Thanks Jeff!

[jon6.0]

Can somebody explain the disparity between these statements by Jeff at TPE and by Kenne Bell on their websites.


TPE website says:

Total Performance Engineering (TPE) began doing business in March of 2007 as an internet-based retail parts company. In December of 2007, the company became the sole world-wide distributer for the Chevrolet Division of Kenne Bell Products, as well as forming distributorships and dealer relationships with some of the nations leading manufacturers.

http://www.totalperformanceengineeri...ages.php?pID=4

Then this from Kenne Bell:

PRICING - SALES POLICY - SELLING FACTORY DIRECT

Why don't Web Vendors, Dealers, etc. offer or recommend Kenne Bell superchargers? Most likely because they can't buy our kits and re-sell them for a profit. Kenne Bell sells ONLY "factory direct" to our customers. The kit and tune they do push may not be the best for the customer, but it's the one they make the money on.
Since 1968, Kenne Bell has sold at one price - "factory direct" to our customers. By selling direct via our website and phones, we eliminate the Middleman or Internet Retailer's profit. This allows us to pass the savings on to our customers and offer superior kits at a fair and competitive price - along with the very best tech support and service.
The alternative would be to raise the prices or reduce the features of our supercharger kits to offset the Internet Retailer, Mail Order House, WD or Distribuotr's profit. That will never happen. We are simply not interested in selling Kenne Bell products through Internet Retailers. All supercharger kits are designed, calibrated, tuned and assembled in house by Kenne Bell engineers and technicians. We provide technical support and service, an informative website and are the exclusive repair/warranty center for our superchargers. Our customers prefer dealing directly with us because we know our supercharger kits, the related products and tuning. And there's no "Sorry, we'll have to check with the manufacturer."

http://www.kennebell.net/pricelist/pricelist.htm