2011 mustang v6 vs 2010-11 camaro v6

[mrray13]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Actually..If we're talking comparing V8's to V8's..the Genesis name does come with a V8 engine, in the sedan form. It has a 4.6L V8 with 375 HP.

It isnt fair to throw a V6 Sport Coupe against a trio of V8 sport coupes. If we're talking about top engine levels, it would be more fair to compare the V8 Camaro, Mustang, Challenger (R/T) and Genesis Sedan.

What is fair is comparing the top V6's in the Genesis, Camaro, Challenger and Mustang. In that comparison the Genesis won, Challenger lost, and Mustang/Camaro made up the middle.

I didn't know Hyundai made a v8, and I wonder why it isn't in the coupe?

You can call it fair, as it is v6 against v6, but the truth is, it's still comparing the upper model to base models. Call it semantics, call it whatever, but the base model Genesis is a 2.4ltr turbo, not the 3.8. If it's unfair to compare the v6 to the v8 cars, then throw the v8 in the coupe, lol. I'm sure consumers wouldn't mind!!

[macwest]

The 2011 mustang will beat the camaro but with that said unless tuners come out for the V6 neither are going to have allot you can do to them.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by mrray13

I didn't know Hyundai made a v8, and I wonder why it isn't in the coupe?

When I first heard about the Genesis coming out I was hoping they were going to put that V8 in it. Actually I still hope they do. They could go after the big 3 then.

[mrray13]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

When I first heard about the Genesis coming out I was hoping they were going to put that V8 in it. Actually I still hope they do. They could go after the big 3 then.

They would actually be one up...

a base 4 cylinder model, a mid level v6 and a high end v8. Adjust prices accordingly, and Ford/Chevy would be in a bit of trouble, lol. Although I don't want to see a 4 cyl in the Camaro, Ford had a badass turbo 4 back in the day!

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by mrray13

I didn't know Hyundai made a v8, and I wonder why it isn't in the coupe?

You can call it fair, as it is v6 against v6, but the truth is, it's still comparing the upper model to base models. Call it semantics, call it whatever, but the base model Genesis is a 2.4ltr turbo, not the 3.8. If it's unfair to compare the v6 to the v8 cars, then throw the v8 in the coupe, lol. I'm sure consumers wouldn't mind!!

Probably won't fit in the engine bay. They made the coupe a lot smaller than the sedan.

[mrray13]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Probably won't fit in the engine bay. They made the coupe a lot smaller than the sedan.

Well, that could work against it, lol.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by mrray13

I didn't know Hyundai made a v8, and I wonder why it isn't in the coupe?

You can call it fair, as it is v6 against v6, but the truth is, it's still comparing the upper model to base models. Call it semantics, call it whatever, but the base model Genesis is a 2.4ltr turbo, not the 3.8. If it's unfair to compare the v6 to the v8 cars, then throw the v8 in the coupe, lol. I'm sure consumers wouldn't mind!!

It just doesn't work out that way. Look at pricing, options, front engine, rear drive, 2 sets of seats, nearly identical HP number, handling figures, weight, size, etc, etc. It is a direct competitor for the V6 ponies and NOT the V8s, IF it was competition for the V8s, that would be reflected in the price, which is right on top on the V6 model Mustang and Camaro. If the results had went the other way I am sure your tune would be different.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Probably won't fit in the engine bay. They made the coupe a lot smaller than the sedan.

Exactly. Even though both the coupe and sedan are named 'Genesis', the reality is that they are two completely different cars on two very different platforms. Some components are shared between the two vehicles, but the front suspension is not on that list and, according to Hyundai, the Tau V8 will not fit between the fender wells of the Genesis coupe. Or, more correctly, the V8 wont fit between those fender well from a production line perspective.

[Camaro Freak]

According to GM website the 304 HP of the 2010 was rated on the low end. After test it was determined the 2010 and the 2011 Camaro have the same motor which tested at the 312 hp range. Read on----


Ok I pulled this from the homepage:

Horsepower increase for V6 engine

The 2011 Camaro V-6 engine completed SAE certification testing and is now officially rated at 312 horsepower at 6500 rpm and 278 lb-ft of torque at 5100 rpm. This rating is eight horsepower higher than the previous year and also marks an increase in torque from the 2010 rating of 273 lb-ft.

“The 304 horsepower in the 2010 Camaro was actually a conservative rating on our end,” said Tom Sutter, GM V-6 chief engineer. “But we knew already that this award-winning engine produced at least the amount of power we stated, but now we’ve gone the extra step in certifying the engine for this application and have verified an additional 8 horsepower.”

The 3.6-liter V-6 with variable valve timing (VVT) and direct injection employs four independent cam phasers to change the timing of valve operation as operating conditions such as rpm and engine load vary. The result is linear delivery of torque, with near-peak levels over a broad rpm range, and high specific output (maximum horsepower per liter of displacement) supporting overall engine response and drivability. When combined, direct-injection and VVT enable an unmatched combination of power, efficiency and low-emissions in gasoline V-6 engines.

SAE certification is a voluntary power and torque certification procedure developed by the SAE Engine Test Code committee. This procedure (J2723) ensures fair, accurate ratings for horsepower and torque by allowing manufacturers to certify their engines through third-party witness testing. Chevrolet was the vehicle brand to begin using the procedure.

I take this to mean that the engine we have and the 2011 engine are the exact same, just this time around they certified it for 312hp!

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by syr74

Exactly. Even though both the coupe and sedan are named 'Genesis',the reality is that they are two completely different cars on two very different platforms. Some components are shared between the two vehicles, but the front suspension is not on that list and, according to Hyundai, the Tau V8 will not fit between the fender wells of the Genesis coupe. Or, more correctly, the V8 wont fit between those fender well from a production line perspective.

That is not what I've heard. Its my understanding that there is a very high percentage of common parts and it is indeed the same platform. Its probably similar to the G8 and the Camaro.

I'm guessing its sorta like a chicken and the egg thing for the lack of a V8. By not including a V8 they can make it smaller, and by being smaller, a V8 can't be included.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

That is not what I've heard. Its my understanding that there is a very high percentage of common parts and it is indeed the same platform. Its probably similar to the G8 and the Camaro.

I'm guessing its sorta like a chicken and the egg thing for the lack of a V8. By not including a V8 they can make it smaller, and by being smaller, a V8 can't be included.

A lot of folks say it's the same platform, but the truth is it really isn't. There is a relationship there, but it's more akin to the similarity between the Lincoln LS and Mustang than the G8 and Camaro....put simply, not much in common.

For example, the front suspension isn't even the same basic design with the coupe using a Mac Strut setup and the sedan using control arms, nothing mechanical even remotely interchanges between the major suspension components of these two cars. If there is any meaningful similarity here my guess is that it boils down to little more than hard-point commonality and simple sharing of non-core components like brakes, electronics, etc..

[mrray13]

Originally Posted by Stew

If the results had went the other way I am sure your tune would be different.

Nope, I wouldn't. In 2010, the Genesis was the only competitor to the Camaro performance wise, but it took the upgraded motor to do it. The base Genesis cannot run with a base Camaro/Mustang. If I upgrade my Camaro, I would have a v8. It really is that simple.

I know what your arguement is, and I understand what you are saying. Yet it still isn't 100% accurate based upon options. Simply put, no two ways about it, the 3.8 is an upgrade in the Genesis, the 3.6/3.7 in the Camaro/Mustangs are the base motors.

If Hyundai would drop it's v8 into the Genesis Coupe, I would have no arguement. And, like I previously mentioned, Hyundai would one up the big two by having three motor options.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Stew

It just doesn't work out that way. Look at pricing, options, front engine, rear drive, 2 sets of seats, nearly identical HP number, handling figures, weight, size, etc, etc. It is a direct competitor for the V6 ponies and NOT the V8s, IF it was competition for the V8s, that would be reflected in the price, which is right on top on the V6 model Mustang and Camaro. If the results had went the other way I am sure your tune would be different.

If you are planing on spending $30k+ and are interested in performance (as indicated by considering a track pack Gen coupe), you should be looking at V8's.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by mrray13

Nope, I wouldn't. In 2010, the Genesis was the only competitor to the Camaro performance wise, but it took the upgraded motor to do it. The base Genesis cannot run with a base Camaro/Mustang. If I upgrade my Camaro, I would have a v8. It really is that simple.

I know what your arguement is, and I understand what you are saying. Yet it still isn't 100% accurate based upon options. Simply put, no two ways about it, the 3.8 is an upgrade in the Genesis, the 3.6/3.7 in the Camaro/Mustangs are the base motors.

If Hyundai would drop it's v8 into the Genesis Coupe, I would have no arguement. And, like I previously mentioned, Hyundai would one up the big two by having three motor options.

Not really the Camaro and Mustang doesn't even offer a 4 cylinder option, so they don't have a direct competitor for the Genesis Period as much as the Genesis has no comparison for the Camaro and Mustang V8 period. The v6 models are direct competitors in pricing and performance and more importantly all 3 will be crossshopped by perspective buyers.