2011 mustang v6 vs 2010-11 camaro v6

[Stew]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

If you are planing on spending $30k+ and are interested in performance (as indicated by considering a track pack Gen coupe), you should be looking at V8's.

The track is also the top range model with all options, if I am not mistaken the only option is an automatic tranny (and possibly a anv system if it is available yet). On the same hand the Camaro V6 in that comparison isalso over 30k and while not as quick as a 1SS, it has a lot more "stuff" in it and lot of people like stuff. It also had the RS package which I believe includes the better 3 season tires for PERFORMANCE? Didn't the Mustang also have a PERFORMANCE PACKAGE?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Stew

The track is also the top range model with all options, if I am not mistaken the only option is an automatic tranny (and possibly a anv system if it is available yet). On the same hand the Camaro V6 in that comparison isalso over 30k and while not as quick as a 1SS, it has a lot more "stuff" in it and lot of people like stuff. It also had the RS package which I believe includes the better 3 season tires for PERFORMANCE? Didn't the Mustang also have a PERFORMANCE PACKAGE?

The RS package is for looks, not performance.

For the record, I test drove one of those hyundais.....bbaaaaddddd......

[mrray13]

Originally Posted by Stew

Not really the Camaro and Mustang doesn't even offer a 4 cylinder option, so they don't have a direct competitor for the Genesis Period as much as the Genesis has no comparison for the Camaro and Mustang V8 period. The v6 models are direct competitors in pricing and performance and more importantly all 3 will be crossshopped by perspective buyers.

They have, if you count the 3.8 has the upgrade, which it is. Not my fault Hyundai won't shove the v8 in the Coupe. As it sits, base Genesis is 2.4, Mustang 3.7, Camaro 3.6. Upgrade and you get 3.8, 5.0 and 6.2.

Is it fair? No. But it's correct. The Genesis with the 3.8 is the upgrade, pricing bedamned, lol. I can upgrade to a 6.2 in my Camaro and be under $35k. So pricing is still in the ball park, and I'm sure you can get a 5.0 for under $35k as well.

Again, I get what you are saying. The majority will compare the v6s together, they are v6s. Okay, I get that. Yet, base model vs base model, the Genesis isn't anywhere near the map because it's base model has a 2.4ltr.

Originally Posted by Stew

The track is also the top range model with all options, if I am not mistaken the only option is an automatic tranny (and possibly a anv system if it is available yet). On the same hand the Camaro V6 in that comparison isalso over 30k and while not as quick as a 1SS, it has a lot more "stuff" in it and lot of people like stuff. It also had the RS package which I believe includes the better 3 season tires for PERFORMANCE? Didn't the Mustang also have a PERFORMANCE PACKAGE?

The RS package get 20" summer only Pirelli PZeros, the LS model comes with 4 season Bridgestones in 18", and the LTs get 19" PZero Neros 4 season.


Camaro's don't have a performance package per se. IMHO, by using the RS, instead of a standard LT, be it a 1 or 2 depending upon what they wanted inside, they hindered the Camaro just a bit. In v6 mode, the larger footprint isn't exactly needed, and the added weight is a hinderance. The 19" version is still a nice 245/50r19 tire, compared to the 245/45r20 front and 275/40r20 rear of the RS package.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by mrray13

They have, if you count the 3.8 has the upgrade, which it is. Not my fault Hyundai won't shove the v8 in the Coupe. As it sits, base Genesis is 2.4, Mustang 3.7, Camaro 3.6. Upgrade and you get 3.8, 5.0 and 6.2.

Is it fair? No. But it's correct. The Genesis with the 3.8 is the upgrade, pricing bedamned, lol. I can upgrade to a 6.2 in my Camaro and be under $35k. So pricing is still in the ball park, and I'm sure you can get a 5.0 for under $35k as well.

Again, I get what you are saying. The majority will compare the v6s together, they are v6s. Okay, I get that. Yet, base model vs base model, the Genesis isn't anywhere near the map because it's base model has a 2.4ltr.





The RS package get 20" summer only Pirelli PZeros, the LS model comes with 4 season Bridgestones in 18", and the LTs get 19" PZero Neros 4 season.


Camaro's don't have a performance package per se. IMHO, by using the RS, instead of a standard LT, be it a 1 or 2 depending upon what they wanted inside, they hindered the Camaro just a bit. In v6 mode, the larger footprint isn't exactly needed, and the added weight is a hinderance. The 19" version is still a nice 245/50r19 tire, compared to the 245/45r20 front and 275/40r20 rear of the RS package.

i don't think that's a real fair way to look at it. It's like saying, let's look at the top models and compare those. Prices don't matter. Obviously a GT500 vs. SS is not fair. Just an example, please nobody use this as a GT500 vs. SS. JUST AN EXAMPLE.

I think looking at price points is a very fair way to look at different vehicles. There will be some differences in that, and with it will be the judgement of 'value.'

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Stew

The track is also the top range model with all options, if I am not mistaken the only option is an automatic tranny (and possibly a anv system if it is available yet). On the same hand the Camaro V6 in that comparison isalso over 30k and while not as quick as a 1SS, it has a lot more "stuff" in it and lot of people like stuff. It also had the RS package which I believe includes the better 3 season tires for PERFORMANCE? Didn't the Mustang also have a PERFORMANCE PACKAGE?

Does the 2LT come with more stuff than a 1SS? Sure. But when I was reading that article they didn't mention a whole lot about what the Genesis came with. They talked about its objective and subjective performance. However, they did mention the $30 camber bolts. So I'd say their prime concern was performance not comfort or features.

Anyway, lets compare the performance aspects of the RS package to what the 3.8 Track adds.

Better tires:
3.8T: yes
RS: yes

Better suspension:
3.8T: yes
RS: no

Better brakes:
3.8T: yes
RS: no

Now, what will have a bigger impact on performance and driving feel? Upgrading tires or upgrading tires, suspension, and brakes? I know where I'd put my money.

And yes, the Mustang did as well. But the comment I replied to made no mention of it so I didn't see the need to bring it up.

[mrray13]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

i don't think that's a real fair way to look at it. It's like saying, let's look at the top models and compare those. Prices don't matter. Obviously a GT500 vs. SS is not fair. Just an example, please nobody use this as a GT500 vs. SS. JUST AN EXAMPLE.

I think looking at price points is a very fair way to look at different vehicles. There will be some differences in that, and with it will be the judgement of 'value.'

In my defense, in the post you quoted, I did state it wasn't fair, lol.

Again, in my defense, and as DG as pointed out ever so slyly, a 1SS is compareable to the 2LT in price, offers better brakes, ala Genesis 3.8 vs 2.4, and better motor, ala Genesis 3.8 vs 2.4. So, how is it not really fair? Oh yeah, the Chevy motor upgrade is bigger. Not my fault, lol.

I understand what you are getting it, I really do. Yet the comparision is still wrong on it's most basic level, it's not base model vs base model. That's my argument, that is all, lol.

[Craig]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

It doesnt matter if the Camaro is a 2010 or a 2011, the performance will be the same because they havent changed anything. The argument of "its a 2010 vs a 2011" worked until last week, now it is simply pathetic.

A 2011 Mustang vs a 2010 Camaro is a fair comparison because nothing has changed on the 2010 Camaro to 2011.

And if the model of Genesis was different? It would still have had the Mustang on top, and from there down have it be either Mustang-Genesis-Camaro or Camaro-Genesis.

Quit making so much sense, you'll only confuse people.

Remember that not many people around here outside the Mustang contingent had an issue with fairness when the all-new '10 Camaro was whipping the carryover '09 Mustang up and down the track in comparison tests. It made perfect sense back then, after all they were simply comparing what was currently available. It doesn't make nearly as much sense now because, simply put, "fairness" is only an issue when the chosen car doesn't win.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

The RS package is for looks, not performance.

For the record, I test drove one of those hyundais.....bbaaaaddddd......

Yes, it's for looks, but it does include the 20 inch Pirelli P Zeros.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by mrray13

They have, if you count the 3.8 has the upgrade, which it is. Not my fault Hyundai won't shove the v8 in the Coupe. As it sits, base Genesis is 2.4, Mustang 3.7, Camaro 3.6. Upgrade and you get 3.8, 5.0 and 6.2.

Is it fair? No. But it's correct. The Genesis with the 3.8 is the upgrade, pricing bedamned, lol. I can upgrade to a 6.2 in my Camaro and be under $35k. So pricing is still in the ball park, and I'm sure you can get a 5.0 for under $35k as well.

Again, I get what you are saying. The majority will compare the v6s together, they are v6s. Okay, I get that. Yet, base model vs base model, the Genesis isn't anywhere near the map because it's base model has a 2.4ltr.





The RS package get 20" summer only Pirelli PZeros, the LS model comes with 4 season Bridgestones in 18", and the LTs get 19" PZero Neros 4 season.


Camaro's don't have a performance package per se. IMHO, by using the RS, instead of a standard LT, be it a 1 or 2 depending upon what they wanted inside, they hindered the Camaro just a bit. In v6 mode, the larger footprint isn't exactly needed, and the added weight is a hinderance. The 19" version is still a nice 245/50r19 tire, compared to the 245/45r20 front and 275/40r20 rear of the RS package.

Oh yes, those 3 season Pirellis are definatly going to make a difference, especially in the handling tests, to deny that is just being silly. It is about more than the size of the tire, which also surely helped with grip, in fact this is the best lateral G I have seen for a V6 Camaro, and yes, the last one they compared to the Genesis did not have the RS package and performed worse. Despite the Genesis having a smaller base engine, it is still not comparable. What people look at is price and specifications, so yes, the V6 IS the comparable Genesis to the Camaro and Mustang V6, no other way to look at it. Trying to pit them against the turbo 4 seems like a bad excuse to me.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Does the 2LT come with more stuff than a 1SS? Sure. But when I was reading that article they didn't mention a whole lot about what the Genesis came with. They talked about its objective and subjective performance. However, they did mention the $30 camber bolts. So I'd say their prime concern was performance not comfort or features.

Anyway, lets compare the performance aspects of the RS package to what the 3.8 Track adds.

Better tires:
3.8T: yes
RS: yes

Better suspension:
3.8T: yes
RS: no

Better brakes:
3.8T: yes
RS: no

Now, what will have a bigger impact on performance and driving feel? Upgrading tires or upgrading tires, suspension, and brakes? I know where I'd put my money.

And yes, the Mustang did as well. But the comment I replied to made no mention of it so I didn't see the need to bring it up.

It's no ones fault GM doesn't offer a performance package on the V6 above what it already has. In any case tires make a HUGE difference. I would like to go back to Car and Drivers last lightning lap where the Mustang GT they got origionally came with the all season tires, when they got the correct Pirelli 3 seasons it knocked 5 seconds off of it's lap time. As for the 1SS vs Genesis, that is basically a choice same as the loded 2LT that had that was basically the same price as a 1SS. Do you want a loaded car capable of tackling the track or a base stripper? While it was not mentioned (except for the Mustang part where they mentioned the interior would have been better with the premium package). The offer lesser versions of the Genesis coupe, but the 2LT with RS is everybit the competitor to the Genesis track, in specs, performance, and pricing.

[ViperTomcat]

So because GM and Ford dont offer more powerful engines in their V6 models..the Genesis MUST be the lowly 2.0L engine? What?

I'm sorry, from an impartial POV this looks like frantic scrambling by people who are pissed their car lost to find some way to invalidate the comparison, thus preserving their ego.

IMO the comparison is not fair because they are pitting a intended sports car vs the V6 models of three pony/muscle cars. I dont think it is invalid due to engine choices, and watching the screaming about it reminds me of a cat trying to hide a turd on a marble floor.

[mrray13]

Originally Posted by Stew

Oh yes, those 3 season Pirellis are definatly going to make a difference, especially in the handling tests, to deny that is just being silly. It is about more than the size of the tire, which also surely helped with grip, in fact this is the best lateral G I have seen for a V6 Camaro, and yes, the last one they compared to the Genesis did not have the RS package and performed worse. Despite the Genesis having a smaller base engine, it is still not comparable. What people look at is price and specifications, so yes, the V6 IS the comparable Genesis to the Camaro and Mustang V6, no other way to look at it. Trying to pit them against the turbo 4 seems like a bad excuse to me.

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

So because GM and Ford dont offer more powerful engines in their V6 models..the Genesis MUST be the lowly 2.0L engine? What?

I'm sorry, from an impartial POV this looks like frantic scrambling by people who are pissed their car lost to find some way to invalidate the comparison, thus preserving their ego.

IMO the comparison is not fair because they are pitting a intended sports car vs the V6 models of three pony/muscle cars. I dont think it is invalid due to engine choices, and watching the screaming about it reminds me of a cat trying to hide a turd on a marble floor.

Still not getting it? It's base vs base, that's it. That's all I'm arguing. Again, and I'll capitalize it for you so that maybe you'll read it this time, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT PRICE AND ENGINE SIZE. That said, for the same price of the 2LT, I can have a 1SS, with it's upgraded engine, which is what the Genesis 3.8 is compared to the BASE model Genesis, which is 2.0-2.4, whatever, Trubo.

Personally, I don't care what the rag thinks. I liked the Camaro over the others, and that's the one I bought. The Genesis was on my short list, after the Camaro, even though I knew from previous tests the slightly lighter, and slightly more powerful Genesis v6 was quicker.

My whole point is that for performance for the dollar, the Camaro will beat the Genesis, because for the same money you can have a 6.2ltr vs the 3.8 of the Hyundai. If they are going to truly compare base to base, then base motors should be in the cars, simple. Fair? No, not in this case. But it would be Granny Smith to Granny Smith, not Granny Smith to Golden Delicious.

BTW, for those still not reading well, I'm not just defending my Camaro, but the Mustang as well. (Dodge, eh, pffftttt ) I'm sure the new 5.0 can be had stripped down comparable in price to the premium v6. So again, going by pricing and sacrificing a bit of creature comfort for performance means that the Mustang gets it's upgraded motor, same as the Genesis, for the same price.

Does that help? Seriously?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Stew

Yes, it's for looks, but it does include the 20 inch Pirelli P Zeros.

And the 2LT has 19" PZeros....

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

And the 2LT has 19" PZeros....

Ah, but the 20s are wider with a larger footprint, correct? I thought the 2LT had the 4 season PZero Neros, may be incorrect on that though. IMHO, the V6 Camaro does not need a tougher suspension and seems to work well that way and I would also buy it over the Genesis in a heartbeat, i do believe the comparison was fair though. THat said time to pay against the Genesis. It is a nice car and Hyundai did a fine FIRST EFFORT IMHO, but the interior is plasticky as hell (though surprisingly roomy) and the exterior and interior style seem rather generic. Also, I am sure their complaints about the ride from previous reviews SHOULD have applied here also, yes, it has great hndling number, but you pay for it, unlike the Camaro and Mustang.