Shno's House of Z

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by RSHugger

Schno will be trading the SF fog for the great NorthWest liquid sunshine in no time... Been here for 12 years and still trying to get used to it.


Back to topic... LeMans blue would be an awesome color to bring back.

Im looking forward to a change in location but Im not sure if im gonna dig all the rain....

LeMans blue would be sweet on a Z/28.... Maybe if we make enough noise it will happen

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

Im looking forward to a change in location but Im not sure if im gonna dig all the rain....

LeMans blue would be sweet on a Z/28.... Maybe if we make enough noise it will happen

But when you are out to sea, you are surrounded by water so why does it matter if it is coming from the sky too?

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by Number 3

But when you are out to sea, you are surrounded by water so why does it matter if it is coming from the sky too?

Im not driving when Im out to sea....

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

Im not driving when Im out to sea....

WHAT?????????????????

They don't let you drive the boat?

[Mr Twisty]

3... I have a question you may be able to get the answer to if you don't already know... Watch the below vid, first comment about battery technology being held by energy companies... Is it BS or fact?

http://www.wimp.com/hugeinfo/

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

3... I have a question you may be able to get the answer to if you don't already know... Watch the below vid, first comment about battery technology being held by energy companies... Is it BS or fact?

http://www.wimp.com/hugeinfo/

WOW, I claimed BS 15 seconds or so in.

Battery patents held by the oil companies? GM is going to be making it's own batteries here for the Volt. If we could get 200 miles from a single charge? We'd own the world and WE would be making the profit.

Battery technology is in it's infancy. We are only barely, meaning not in production yet, into the second generation of chemical energy storage, LiION battery. Nickel Metal Hydride is what we use today.

There is no way that the oil companies are preventing the use of batteries. It's the same as the 100 mpg carb from the 70s, pure BS.

Profit isn't the prohibitor, it's the driver. Any auto company today that could build a 200 mile range EV that cost 25,000 or less would make more money that any other. Problem is the cost and technology simply aren't there.

And replace air travel with mag lev trains? Holy cow. Even in Japan they still have air travel between cities.............in 747s that hold 600 passegers. And Japan has tremendous infratstructure for rail and bus transit. Just not true. They use an example but but then avoid the truth about that example.

Nice propaganda film though, IMO.

Technology isn't there. Just isn't there.

[n!ght r!der]

pssst Number 3
I need a z28. HOOK ME UP!! I'll pay you in gold and a lifetime supply of Royal Purple lol

[Mr Twisty]

Well said

Do you think hydrogen may surpass electric technologies?

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

Well said

Do you think hydrogen may surpass electric technologies?

Maybe some day, but hydrogen is still in its infancy as well.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

Well said

Do you think hydrogen may surpass electric technologies?

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Maybe some day, but hydrogen is still in its infancy as well.

GM's current position is that there will be many different alternatives available and much of that depends on the customer. In the forseeable future there will be a HUGE need for people that need trucks to do business. They will need to have vans full of parts and tools, trucks to tow equipment from lawnmowers to bulldozers. So the current Gas and Diesel engines will be necessary for those tasks. Even with high fuel prices, there will be a market for full size trucks and vans for people who simply have to have them for work. The "I like the commanding view of the road in my BAT" people will be the ones that fuel prices will drive to cars and smaller vehicles.

Bio Fuels are also now coming on board. But today they take more cost and energy to produce than the "Jed Clampett" oil (shoot a hole in the ground and up comes the bubblin' crude). So, yes, a thoughtful person could fill up with E85 in many GM vehicles today, but unless it is subsidized it is, at least for now, a more expensive solution and most folks will simply choose E10 or less.

Hybrids, Plug in Hybrids, REEV and EVs are still heavily dependant on the chemical storage of energy. Batteries will continue to evolve and chemistries change over the next several years.

Hydrogen and CNG both require a new infrastructure that does not currently exist. CNG needs refueling at very high pressures. Hydrogen? 10,000 psi to store enough hydrogen for a trip over 200 miles with very large, very expensive tanks. There is an ability to get Natrual Gas to your house, but certainly not Hydrogen. And having both so that you could stop at the 7-11 and fuel up is a ways away.

So in the near term, the cost leader is gasoline and diesel. The other alternatives are finding their way. But costs must come down drastically for batteries or hydrogen fuel cells to be competitive with crude oil.

Gasoline is just too easy to transport, store and deliver to the customer. And until either that cost goes way up, which is possible, or the others come way down and offer competitive range and flexibility there is not a clear cut winner.

So long answer to a short question, it depends on who wins the technology race. And there will be little in the infrastructure investment required until that winnner is declared. Kinda like betting on Beta or VHS, blu Ray or HDDVD.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Number 3

GM's current position is that there will be many different alternatives available and much of that depends on the customer. In the forseeable future there will be a HUGE need for people that need trucks to do business. They will need to have vans full of parts and tools, trucks to tow equipment from lawnmowers to bulldozers. So the current Gas and Diesel engines will be necessary for those tasks. Even with high fuel prices, there will be a market for full size trucks and vans for people who simply have to have them for work. The "I like the commanding view of the road in my BAT" people will be the ones that fuel prices will drive to cars and smaller vehicles.

Bio Fuels are also now coming on board. But today they take more cost and energy to produce than the "Jed Clampett" oil (shoot a hole in the ground and up comes the bubblin' crude). So, yes, a thoughtful person could fill up with E85 in many GM vehicles today, but unless it is subsidized it is, at least for now, a more expensive solution and most folks will simply choose E10 or less.

Hybrids, Plug in Hybrids, REEV and EVs are still heavily dependant on the chemical storage of energy. Batteries will continue to evolve and chemistries change over the next several years.

Hydrogen and CNG both require a new infrastructure that does not currently exist. CNG needs refueling at very high pressures. Hydrogen? 10,000 psi to store enough hydrogen for a trip over 200 miles with very large, very expensive tanks. There is an ability to get Natrual Gas to your house, but certainly not Hydrogen. And having both so that you could stop at the 7-11 and fuel up is a ways away.

So in the near term, the cost leader is gasoline and diesel. The other alternatives are finding their way. But costs must come down drastically for batteries or hydrogen fuel cells to be competitive with crude oil.

Gasoline is just too easy to transport, store and deliver to the customer. And until either that cost goes way up, which is possible, or the others come way down and offer competitive range and flexibility there is not a clear cut winner.

So long answer to a short question, it depends on who wins the technology race. And there will be little in the infrastructure investment required until that winnner is declared. Kinda like betting on Beta or VHS, blu Ray or HDDVD.

The good news is that currently...only ONE automaker is prepared for all of them.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

The good news is that currently...only ONE automaker is prepared for all of them.

how could I have not mentioned that great point?

Thanks for that

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Number 3

how could I have not mentioned that great point?

Thanks for that

You got caught up in all that smart-talk...it's okay.

[FenwickHockey65]

Mmmmmmmm...