Who has the best headers for the V6?

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Originally Posted by BaylorAirForce

ARH. end of discussion.

[RickRay]

Originally Posted by Ivan @ Southwest Speed

Here's the best looking ones...no debate about that. Power isn't going to be what LT's are, but they are emissions legal and don't throw CEL's.

Forgive my ignorance on this subject....BUT How can one header not throw a Cel and the other does. Is it the size of the pipes? I mean there is no moving parts....They are all built the same way...3 tubes into 1....I had to ask

[CamaroDreams07]

Originally Posted by RickRay

Forgive my ignorance on this subject....BUT How can one header not throw a Cel and the other does. Is it the size of the pipes? I mean there is no moving parts....They are all built the same way...3 tubes into 1....I had to ask

The shorties are typically not throwing CELs because they don't screw up the rear o2 sensor readings. The Doug Thorley shorties I think are the only ones so far that have had zero CELs.

To the op: you have to first decide on long tubes or short tubes.

Long: more power, but will throw a CEL and you will need a tune probably to get rid of it, emissions problems.

Short: Less power, awesome sound, no CEL, no need for a tune, emissions legal

Once you pick long vs short, then you can debate which brand you want to go with within that category.

[Brownhornitt]

Originally Posted by CamaroDreams07

The shorties are typically not throwing CELs because they don't screw up the rear o2 sensor readings. The Doug Thorley shorties I think are the only ones so far that have had zero CELs.

To the op: you have to first decide on long tubes or short tubes.

Long: more power, but will throw a CEL and you will need a tune probably to get rid of it, emissions problems.

Short: Less power, awesome sound, no CEL, no need for a tune, emissions legal

Once you pick long vs short, then you can debate which brand you want to go with within that category.

Listen to The Camaro Dreamer. This explanation is spot on.

Originally Posted by RickRay

Forgive my ignorance on this subject....BUT How can one header not throw a Cel and the other does. Is it the size of the pipes? I mean there is no moving parts....They are all built the same way...3 tubes into 1....I had to ask

See above. And I'll add that the JBA shorties sometimes have a seal issue at the flange, which is why they sometimes throw a CEL. The DT shorties are welded there, and therefore don't have that same issue.

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BBK Ceramic Coated LT's look the best and perform well!

[RickRay]

Originally Posted by Brownhornitt

Listen to The Camaro Dreamer. This explanation is spot on.



See above. And I'll add that the JBA shorties sometimes have a seal issue at the flange, which is why they sometimes throw a CEL. The DT shorties are welded there, and therefore don't have that same issue.

Thanks

Originally Posted by CamaroDreams07

The shorties are typically not throwing CELs because they don't screw up the rear o2 sensor readings. The Doug Thorley shorties I think are the only ones so far that have had zero CELs.

To the op: you have to first decide on long tubes or short tubes.

Long: more power, but will throw a CEL and you will need a tune probably to get rid of it, emissions problems.

Short: Less power, awesome sound, no CEL, no need for a tune, emissions legal

Once you pick long vs short, then you can debate which brand you want to go with within that category.

Thanks and I will be getting the Shorties ...maybe the DT...

[CamaroDreams07]

Originally Posted by RickRay

Thanks


Thanks and I will be getting the Shorties ...maybe the DT...

You certainly won't regret them. I can't speak to the comparison of the DTs vs any other brand, but I know the Doug Thorleys are great. Great sound, feels freer on acceleration. I like that they are welded on so you don't have to worry about any leakage. Talk to Ivan at Southwest Speed, he will get you all taken care of at the guaranteed lowest price and absolute best customer service.

In full disclosure, I will say that some people are experiencing a "rattle" after installation of shorty headers. This is due to either the installer not putting the heat shield back on tightly or, in my case, the additional length of the headers made the exhaust hang about 1/4inch lower. This means it was hitting the tunnel brace. It's annoying as all hell, but a simple fix. What I did was purchase the tunnel brace from Elite Engineering, which is recessed to allow more clearance for the exhaust pipes. I have heard a cheaper route is to just put some washers under the stock tunnel brace. Either way, problem solved.

[rharp]

Originally Posted by CamaroDreams07

You certainly won't regret them. I can't speak to the comparison of the DTs vs any other brand, but I know the Doug Thorleys are great. Great sound, feels freer on acceleration. I like that they are welded on so you don't have to worry about any leakage. Talk to Ivan at Southwest Speed, he will get you all taken care of at the guaranteed lowest price and absolute best customer service.

In full disclosure, I will say that some people are experiencing a "rattle" after installation of shorty headers. This is due to either the installer not putting the heat shield back on tightly or, in my case, the additional length of the headers made the exhaust hang about 1/4inch lower. This means it was hitting the tunnel brace. It's annoying as all hell, but a simple fix. What I did was purchase the tunnel brace from Elite Engineering, which is recessed to allow more clearance for the exhaust pipes. I have heard a cheaper route is to just put some washers under the stock tunnel brace. Either way, problem solved.

[PoorMansCamaro]

just fyi, you can have leaks from welds.

[CamaroDreams07]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

just fyi, you can have leaks from welds.

Of course you can, but I'd have to say it's less likely, especially if you're having it welded at a reputable shop.

[RickRay]

Originally Posted by CamaroDreams07

You certainly won't regret them. I can't speak to the comparison of the DTs vs any other brand, but I know the Doug Thorleys are great. Great sound, feels freer on acceleration. I like that they are welded on so you don't have to worry about any leakage. Talk to Ivan at Southwest Speed, he will get you all taken care of at the guaranteed lowest price and absolute best customer service.

In full disclosure, I will say that some people are experiencing a "rattle" after installation of shorty headers. This is due to either the installer not putting the heat shield back on tightly or, in my case, the additional length of the headers made the exhaust hang about 1/4inch lower. This means it was hitting the tunnel brace. It's annoying as all hell, but a simple fix. What I did was purchase the tunnel brace from Elite Engineering, which is recessed to allow more clearance for the exhaust pipes. I have heard a cheaper route is to just put some washers under the stock tunnel brace. Either way, problem solved.

Are you saying that they are welded on to the HFC..and not Bolt on?

[rharp]

There is no flange on the DT headers, the mid pipes weld right up to them.

[mike.nite]

One disadvantage of welded-on headers is if you want to change them or if you want to put back your stock setup.

I like the fact that I can switch between stock and BBK. You never know (inspections).

P.S: Ceramic coated looks the best IMO!

[Ivan @ Southwest Speed]

Originally Posted by CamaroDreams07

You certainly won't regret them. I can't speak to the comparison of the DTs vs any other brand, but I know the Doug Thorleys are great. Great sound, feels freer on acceleration. I like that they are welded on so you don't have to worry about any leakage. Talk to Ivan at Southwest Speed, he will get you all taken care of at the guaranteed lowest price and absolute best customer service.

In full disclosure, I will say that some people are experiencing a "rattle" after installation of shorty headers. This is due to either the installer not putting the heat shield back on tightly or, in my case, the additional length of the headers made the exhaust hang about 1/4inch lower. This means it was hitting the tunnel brace. It's annoying as all hell, but a simple fix. What I did was purchase the tunnel brace from Elite Engineering, which is recessed to allow more clearance for the exhaust pipes. I have heard a cheaper route is to just put some washers under the stock tunnel brace. Either way, problem solved.

Originally Posted by rharp

Thanks for the LOVE guys!!

Great Customer service is easy with Camaro owners!

Enjoy em fellas!
Ivan