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wjones14 · 02-13-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Blownhotrodder

Yet another reason irs blows. Usually someone comes out with a bushing kit or something else to fix the wheelhop issues with the irs equipped cars. Wheelhop is very very hard on all drivetrain components and usually leads to halfshaft failures.

My '05 Mustang GT is solid axle of course, and that has some wheel hop, so it's not like only IRS cars can have it. Mine doesn't hop all the time, and more often than not, I can get smooth wheelspin out of it (wet road or dry). But if it does start hopping, it just snowballs and you have to back off the throttle.

Blownhotrodder · 02-13-2009, 08:18 PM

I never said a solid axle cant. Ive had solid axles do it to me also. You are going to have less issues from a solid axle. Heres a good read for you guys that insist on thinking the new camaro is some featherweight. http://www.popularhotrodding.com/edi...ght/index.html

RT21 · 02-13-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wjones14

My '05 Mustang GT is solid axle of course, and that has some wheel hop, so it's not like only IRS cars can have it. Mine doesn't hop all the time, and more often than not, I can get smooth wheelspin out of it (wet road or dry). But if it does start hopping, it just snowballs and you have to back off the throttle.

Solid axle....so no IRS? did Ford go with the solid axle after failing with the IRS? Just curious.

Blownhotrodder · 02-13-2009, 08:22 PM

People complained and wanted the solid axle more, its also cheaper and lighter and is less complex to work on. Much more people drag race than road race, you want a solid axle for that.

RT21 · 02-13-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Blownhotrodder

People complained and wanted the solid axle more, its also cheaper and lighter and is less complex to work on. Much more people drag race than road race, you want a solid axle for that.

I may be dumb, but isn't this thread about wheel hop? Doesn't IRS prevent that? It seems to me, with my weak knowledge, that because IRS keeps both tires on the road because the are "independant"...as in kinda like 2 axles...one on each side...that the wheels, won't hop no matter if you are going straight or cornering around the "trip to Oregon Coast corners"? Like someone said earlier....I think you are a Ford dude...trying to start silly crap. Just sayin...

LSX-80MM · 02-13-2009, 09:07 PM

Well I've had'em all,and I had an 03 Cobra Turbo car that made 705 RWHP,and I ran M/T DRadials and slicks on the street and at the track,never any wheel hop or breakage,BUT I had Level 5 halfshafts,Loved it..You could beat the hell out of it,And I'm planning on putting a kit on the 2010,and I'll post up some results on the stock halfshafts before and after I break'em....learn how to launch guy's! Personally I don't see much wheel hop with 20" tires,But we'll see...........

headpunter · 02-13-2009, 09:18 PM

a major problem with the srt 8 is that it only has a 255 tire in the back.....i get wheel hop with 240hp and 3.73's in my truck.

wjones14 · 02-13-2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RT21

I may be dumb, but isn't this thread about wheel hop? Doesn't IRS prevent that? It seems to me, with my weak knowledge, that because IRS keeps both tires on the road because the are "independant"...as in kinda like 2 axles...one on each side...that the wheels, won't hop no matter if you are going straight or cornering around the "trip to Oregon Coast corners"? Like someone said earlier....I think you are a Ford dude...trying to start silly crap. Just sayin...

Go back and read the original post that started this thread. The guy was talking about a Challenger SRT8 that had wheel hop. That's an IRS car. No, IRS in itself does not prevent wheel hop.

The wheel hop he's talking about it is during a standing start straight-line acceleration run, where wheelspin becomes wheel hop, with the tires bouncing up and down. Not good.

greenrail · 02-13-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RT21

I may be dumb, but isn't this thread about wheel hop? Doesn't IRS prevent that? It seems to me, with my weak knowledge, that because IRS keeps both tires on the road because the are "independant"...as in kinda like 2 axles...one on each side...that the wheels, won't hop no matter if you are going straight or cornering around the "trip to Oregon Coast corners"? Like someone said earlier....I think you are a Ford dude...trying to start silly crap. Just sayin...

No IRS doesn't prevent that. Go drive an '05 GTO and try to light 'em up. I did and I was afriad I had broekn a shock absorber.There will be a bouncing tire very quickly in the rear.

Likewise the CTS-V did the same thing (and half shafts breaking). GM did a lot of work on different diameter half shafts to kill this and was very successful with it. Which has filtered down to teh new Camaro.

jesserayjames · 02-13-2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jordan 572

my dads buddy brought over a new challenger with the 6.1 srt 8 in it. my dad drove it and said it was slow because their was a lot of wheel hop when you gave it a lot of gas and it started slipping. will this be true on the camaro

I read that Camaro has launch control.

themossman · 02-13-2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jordan 572

will this be true on the camaro

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Originally Posted by detroitboy

... the wheel hop issues had been corrected by the use of somewhat oval shaped halfshafts....

(note...I believe that one side half shaft is also slightly larger than the other.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 02-13-2009, 10:41 PM

Asymmetrical half-shafts. I'm unaware of any oval shape (I think that may do more harm that good, actually...

) but what we have been told (that I can remember, anyway

) is that one shaft is larger in diameter than the other. This means they twist at different rates, and so want to "hop" at different rates, effectively cancelling themselves out with some other resonance modifications. Wheel hop is all but eliminated on a factory Camaro.

I say 'factory', because if you shoot enough power through this car...it's gonna hop. That's inevitable.......

Muscle Master · 02-13-2009, 10:52 PM

Even with LSD, the chally still suffer from a lot of wheel hop

Blownhotrodder · 02-13-2009, 11:10 PM

Oh my god, Ive been called a trool. ME,

. Im far from that, I just say it how it is, if you dont like it then fine. Just go on you tube and type in wheel hop. Most the cars on there are irs equipped cars. Although solid axles do exhibit this, its more common on an irs. On the old fox body mustangs they installed the quad shocks on them to fix this problem with them from the factory.

02-13-2009, 09:07 PM	#20
LSX-80MM Ghostly Unknown Drives: Silver Ice 2010 SS/RS A6 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Glen St Mary,Fla. Posts: 483	Well I've had'em all,and I had an 03 Cobra Turbo car that made 705 RWHP,and I ran M/T DRadials and slicks on the street and at the track,never any wheel hop or breakage,BUT I had Level 5 halfshafts,Loved it..You could beat the hell out of it,And I'm planning on putting a kit on the 2010,and I'll post up some results on the stock halfshafts before and after I break'em....learn how to launch guy's! Personally I don't see much wheel hop with 20" tires,But we'll see........... __________________ TS416,GMPPLSX-LS3 6 Bolt Heads,Custom 80mmComp Turbo,ID850 Injectors, Lonnies Twin Pump Setup,Level 3 4L80E,DSS,3in Magnaflow Exhaust,CoolingMist Meth,RX Dual Catch Can,InnovateWB,Aeroforce Interceptor,AEM Truboost Controller,matte black CF5 Forgestars.700rwhp/712rwtrq

02-13-2009, 09:18 PM	#21
headpunter Not That sad..considering Drives: Man Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: the part of washington the capital forgot about. Posts: 3,745 View My Garage	a major problem with the srt 8 is that it only has a 255 tire in the back.....i get wheel hop with 240hp and 3.73's in my truck. __________________ Stop Whinging

02-13-2009, 10:41 PM	#26
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	Asymmetrical half-shafts. I'm unaware of any oval shape (I think that may do more harm that good, actually...) but what we have been told (that I can remember, anyway) is that one shaft is larger in diameter than the other. This means they twist at different rates, and so want to "hop" at different rates, effectively cancelling themselves out with some other resonance modifications. Wheel hop is all but eliminated on a factory Camaro. I say 'factory', because if you shoot enough power through this car...it's gonna hop. That's inevitable....... __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

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02-13-2009, 08:18 PM	#16
Blownhotrodder Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Clarkesville , GEORGIA Posts: 1,857	I never said a solid axle cant. Ive had solid axles do it to me also. You are going to have less issues from a solid axle. Heres a good read for you guys that insist on thinking the new camaro is some featherweight. http://www.popularhotrodding.com/edi...ght/index.html

02-13-2009, 08:22 PM	#18
Blownhotrodder Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Clarkesville , GEORGIA Posts: 1,857	People complained and wanted the solid axle more, its also cheaper and lighter and is less complex to work on. Much more people drag race than road race, you want a solid axle for that.

02-13-2009, 11:10 PM	#28
Blownhotrodder Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Clarkesville , GEORGIA Posts: 1,857	Oh my god, Ive been called a trool. ME, . Im far from that, I just say it how it is, if you dont like it then fine. Just go on you tube and type in wheel hop. Most the cars on there are irs equipped cars. Although solid axles do exhibit this, its more common on an irs. On the old fox body mustangs they installed the quad shocks on them to fix this problem with them from the factory.