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cheddercaveman · 09-03-2008, 09:54 AM

Just thought maybe I'd throw in my 2cents here as a current GTO owner and someone who certainly respects the heritage of the Camaro as well. Honestly, I don't know where I'll give the edge ultimately. From reports that are coming out the Camaro is going to weigh around 3900lbs+, the GTO is around 3750, BUT the Camaro will have the LS3 and the GTO has the LS2 (or LS1 in the case of the 04). I'd say no arguement over it beating the LS1 GTO (I'm talking stock on all of this for the record). The LS2 could certainly be a drivers race though with the new Camaro.

The advantages that I DO see the Camaro having is that their auto trans is 6 gears and the GTO autos only have 4, thats huge. Also, from the looks of things the Camaro will be coming with some bigger shoes in the back end and hopefully fix the wheel hop too. My GTO is on track to get bigger wheels in the back, because it should have had them from the beginning.

Honestly, the GTO has gotten a bad wrap because it didn't look as Retro as other cars in its class I think. I like the subtly myself, not for everyone thought I'd imagine. I also like a car that is in your face and flashy too though.

It'll be fun when the car comes out and I'm sitting at the line with one of you guys all lined up to get one for sure.

Congoman775 · 09-03-2008, 10:18 AM

The Camaro > GTO

The Camaro is

faster

lighter

better looking

more powerfull

more equiped

and hopefully more affordable

The Camaro WILL BE my daily driver, but seeing as im only 19, i am more about performance than straight comfort.

TheMadHatter99 · 09-03-2008, 10:24 AM

Overall expect the Camaro to be a slightly better performer, but not by too much. A lot of it will come down to whether the GTO has a better driver or not.

If it weren't for the Camaro I'd be looking for a slightly used LS2 GTO. Although I didn't like their styling when they first came out, I'm really starting to dig the understated, sleeper appeal.

Either way it'll be fun to line up at a stoplight next to one and see both leave the Challenger in the dust (can't hate on the Mustang too much seeing as I drive one...).

Twitch · 09-03-2008, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Congoman775

The Camaro > GTO

The Camaro is

faster NO

lighter NO

better looking

more powerfull only the LS3 SS

more equiped NO

and hopefully more affordable

The Camaro WILL BE my daily driver, but seeing as im only 19, i am more about performance than straight comfort.

the GTO is lighter, same HP as the LS99, only problem with the GTO was 245's in the rear with no real ability to put a larger tire on them. Also this post was over a year old, since which the specs for the Camaro have come out

I think the LS3 SS and GTO will be on par performance wise and will come down to a drivers race, other then that the GTO has an edge performance wise. The Camaro will have larger tires (thank god) but will not eliminate wheel hop and the 20s' will slow the car down and, IMO, make it harder to handle. Also the Camaro sits on the Zeta platform, which was built around that of the GTOs "pre" zeta platform, so its hard to tell which one will be better

MajorTom · 09-03-2008, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Congoman775

The Camaro > GTO

The Camaro is

faster

lighter

better looking

more powerfull

more equiped

and hopefully more affordable

The Camaro WILL BE my daily driver, but seeing as im only 19, i am more about performance than straight comfort.

The Camaro is not lighter. Just like the guy said. Even manual transmission models are still about 100 pounds heavier. But I agree with everything you said. We don't know about pricing, but I hope it's a bit cheaper. The Camaro that is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twitch

the GTO is lighter, same HP as the LS99, only problem with the GTO was 245's in the rear with no real ability to put a larger tire on them. Also this post was over a year old, since which the specs for the Camaro have come out

I think the LS3 SS and GTO will be on par performance wise and will come down to a drivers race, other then that the GTO has an edge performance wise. The Camaro will have larger tires (thank god) but will not eliminate wheel hop and the 20s' will slow the car down and, IMO, make it harder to handle. Also the Camaro sits on the Zeta platform, which was built around that of the GTOs "pre" zeta platform, so its hard to tell which one will be better

The GTO is a good car, but the GTOs platform was an old one that was based on the Opel Omega. Parts may not directly interchange, but it's still the same semi-trailing arm layout as the old Opel. The Zeta Chassis in the Camaro will be better. And if you've heard that it was based on the GTO platform you're misinformed. Zeta was built from the ground up for the new cars that ride on it. No parts carry over and it's not the same at all. No question. The wheel hop issue has been addressed in plenty of articles and it's been dialed down. A quality IRS will not hot as bad as the GTO or CTS-V did. The 20 inch wheels may slow the car down in acceleration, but a larger diameter rim will have a stiffer sidewall which will improve responsiveness. They just won't have any sidewall flex for acceleration.

JEFF2010SSMANUAL · 09-03-2008, 01:24 PM

Hard to imagine an SS/RS LS3 Camaro being as cheap as a GTO.

I think the SS/RS will handle better then the GTO IMO.

Jiu Jitsu Jon · 09-03-2008, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

GTO to me just seemed like an excuse to give someone a new car with an LS1/LS2 in it with some features for a lower price than the vette.

And the Camaros/Firebirds gave people an opportunity to drive a car with an LS1 at a lower price than the vette.

MajorTom · 09-03-2008, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JEFF2010SSMANUAL

Hard to imagine an SS/RS LS3 Camaro being as cheap as a GTO.

I think the SS/RS will handle better then the GTO IMO.

If the SS/RS LS3 is 33k I think that'll be amazing. A lot of guys are hoping the SS is going to start at 30k or so. Let's hope so. The RS package should be fairly reasonable since it only adds a few cosmetic touches (right?), so it seems reasonable to assume that it'll be GTO price if all works out.

And yeah, I too believe the SS will out handle the GTO. The GTO was good, but the SS is much better designed and purpose built. The first drives have already proven that the V6 handles well. So hopefully the SS will only get better.

Dan · 09-03-2008, 01:47 PM

The GTO is lighter, but the Camaro will handle better, has a better suspension, and I do like the look better. Also the Camaro will have a lot more options than the GTO, whose options consisted of color and transmission. The interior in the GTO was the best thing in a GM car for a decade but I will like the gadgetry of the Camaro more, especially the gauges....cars never have enough damn gauges, idiot lights are for idiots.

Jiu Jitsu Jon · 09-03-2008, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JEFF2010SSMANUAL

Hard to imagine an SS/RS LS3 Camaro being as cheap as a GTO.

They weren't cheap when they first came out...The MSRP on mine was 32K...many dealers had substantial markups on top of that as well.

JEFF2010SSMANUAL · 09-03-2008, 01:56 PM

When I first looked at the GTO I loved the interior, but the exterior had an egg shape IMO. Decent looking, but NOT Muscle car at all.

If the SS/RS LS3 Camaro is $35k I WILL POOP MY PANTS.

MajorTom · 09-03-2008, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Jon

They weren't cheap when they first came out...The MSRP on mine was 32K...many dealers had substantial markups on top of that as well.

Hey man, our cars are the same color year and trans. What rims does yours have? I have 17s.

I actually bought mine preowned with 2250 miles from a cadillac dealer for 22,500. It was a trade in on a CTS they said and the previous owner needed a second set of doors. I got it in late 06.

bourney20 · 09-03-2008, 02:28 PM

What would everyone pick between a camaro LT/RS or a GTO. This is my dilemma. I love how the camaro looks (agggressive) but than again the GTO has 400hp. I know by this time next year when i make a decision i can prolly get into a 06 GTO for about 16-18k which is not a bad deal. What does everyone think thanks.

MajorTom · 09-03-2008, 03:21 PM

That's tough. The GTO will give you near Camaro SS quality performance for less than V6 Camaro price. That is if our estimates are to be believed and the price you quote for used GTOs is accurate. But the GTO won't match the looks of the Camaro.

09-03-2008, 10:24 AM	#17
TheMadHatter99 Kept the Faith Drives: '10 Camaro 2SS/RS CGM Join Date: May 2007 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 721 View My Garage	Overall expect the Camaro to be a slightly better performer, but not by too much. A lot of it will come down to whether the GTO has a better driver or not. If it weren't for the Camaro I'd be looking for a slightly used LS2 GTO. Although I didn't like their styling when they first came out, I'm really starting to dig the understated, sleeper appeal. Either way it'll be fun to line up at a stoplight next to one and see both leave the Challenger in the dust (can't hate on the Mustang too much seeing as I drive one...). __________________

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09-03-2008, 09:54 AM	#15
cheddercaveman Drives: 2005 Pontiac GTO M6 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Wheeling, IL Posts: 1	Just thought maybe I'd throw in my 2cents here as a current GTO owner and someone who certainly respects the heritage of the Camaro as well. Honestly, I don't know where I'll give the edge ultimately. From reports that are coming out the Camaro is going to weigh around 3900lbs+, the GTO is around 3750, BUT the Camaro will have the LS3 and the GTO has the LS2 (or LS1 in the case of the 04). I'd say no arguement over it beating the LS1 GTO (I'm talking stock on all of this for the record). The LS2 could certainly be a drivers race though with the new Camaro. The advantages that I DO see the Camaro having is that their auto trans is 6 gears and the GTO autos only have 4, thats huge. Also, from the looks of things the Camaro will be coming with some bigger shoes in the back end and hopefully fix the wheel hop too. My GTO is on track to get bigger wheels in the back, because it should have had them from the beginning. Honestly, the GTO has gotten a bad wrap because it didn't look as Retro as other cars in its class I think. I like the subtly myself, not for everyone thought I'd imagine. I also like a car that is in your face and flashy too though. It'll be fun when the car comes out and I'm sitting at the line with one of you guys all lined up to get one for sure.

09-03-2008, 10:18 AM	#16
Congoman775 Drives: Muscle Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 1,314	The Camaro > GTO The Camaro is faster lighter better looking more powerfull more equiped and hopefully more affordable The Camaro WILL BE my daily driver, but seeing as im only 19, i am more about performance than straight comfort.

09-03-2008, 01:24 PM	#20
JEFF2010SSMANUAL JEFF2010SSMANUAL Drives: IOM 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Northern IL Posts: 1,953	Hard to imagine an SS/RS LS3 Camaro being as cheap as a GTO. I think the SS/RS will handle better then the GTO IMO.

09-03-2008, 01:47 PM	#23
Dan Drives: 2004 GTO Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Montgomery, AL Posts: 448	The GTO is lighter, but the Camaro will handle better, has a better suspension, and I do like the look better. Also the Camaro will have a lot more options than the GTO, whose options consisted of color and transmission. The interior in the GTO was the best thing in a GM car for a decade but I will like the gadgetry of the Camaro more, especially the gauges....cars never have enough damn gauges, idiot lights are for idiots.

09-03-2008, 01:56 PM	#25
JEFF2010SSMANUAL JEFF2010SSMANUAL Drives: IOM 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Northern IL Posts: 1,953	When I first looked at the GTO I loved the interior, but the exterior had an egg shape IMO. Decent looking, but NOT Muscle car at all. If the SS/RS LS3 Camaro is $35k I WILL POOP MY PANTS.

09-03-2008, 02:28 PM	#27
bourney20 Drives: 67 Camaro Rs Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Rochester Ny Posts: 12	What would everyone pick between a camaro LT/RS or a GTO. This is my dilemma. I love how the camaro looks (agggressive) but than again the GTO has 400hp. I know by this time next year when i make a decision i can prolly get into a 06 GTO for about 16-18k which is not a bad deal. What does everyone think thanks.

09-03-2008, 03:21 PM	#28
MajorTom Drives: 2005 Pontiac GTO Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Saint Louis, MO Posts: 306	That's tough. The GTO will give you near Camaro SS quality performance for less than V6 Camaro price. That is if our estimates are to be believed and the price you quote for used GTOs is accurate. But the GTO won't match the looks of the Camaro.