ZL1 vs Corvette- Why do people insist this doesnt exist? Impacts on pricing/perf?

[BLACK10]

Originally Posted by NoeJeko

Not always true -- I drove a 2010 Camaro SS before I got my Corvette. Frankly, if I had more than one parking space at my condo I'd have kept both.

My only choice was sell or street and there's no way I'd insult either car by parking her on the street :(

I know, but go check out corvette forums:(. I aso know many that have switched,... you know the cool ones

I love both cars. You guys on here of course love em' both too.

Nothing wrong with that just they dont even consider the Camaro when buying. I have always said, two different cars for many reasons...

[tooslow]

Comparing a vehicle on basis of price is crazy anyway. A fully loaded Escalade or CTSV will cost you as much or more than a Corvette, but nobody mentions those as competitors. Why? Because they are not. No more than a 4-seat pony car and a two-seat sports car should be compared.

[BLACK10]

Originally Posted by actireman

Preppy business man = CTSVSingle guy and no kids or guy with kids finally out of house = corvette
Single or married guy with kids and likes jeans = ZL1
They have done the marketing and for the most part they are completly three different customers. They all like speed, just have different life styles. Myself, I'm single with kids and could have anyone one of the three, but I like jeans and a T shirt, so I pick ZL1. Just my view.

There are always exceptions of course............
my wife's CTS V

[oldfriend]

Originally Posted by IOMZL1

I'll use myself as an example. I think you have to look at more than performance. I'm looking at the ZL1, which is the top dog of factory Camaros. It comes fully loaded for $50-$60k. I would and have considered a Corvette. For $50-$60k I basically get a stripped down Grand Sport at best. I'm not really interested in one of the lowest spec Corvettes even if it performs the same. If I get a Vette, I want a Z06 at a minimum with some nice interior options and preferably the Z07 and CFZ packages. Now we are talking $90k - no longer the same price range. I guess it is just a mentallity - do you wan to pay 60k for cloth and sparse options or leather and all the options? The base Vette just doesn't appeal to me for reasons other than performance - it seems like less of a car even if it performs better.

Like others have said - many Corvette snobs wouldn't buy a Camaro even if it was better and to afford a Corvette instead of the ZL1 you give up a lot. People we know who are willing to go either way for a 60k ZL1 or a 60k Vette are rare I think and cause a false sense of the real market. That's my opinion anyway, and the above paragraph represents my reasoning.

Adding used cars complicates the scenario, but are you willing to buy a 60k used Corvette to get what you want or a 60k new Camaro? Now you get the same features but one car is used.

For me, these two cars arent in the same price range for these reasons even if performance is similar.

Did i make myself clear , just what i was thinking , well done !!!

[EVoLGRiMM]

I think that as it sits now there are still the old school alumni vette and chevy group. The ones that will stick with thier brand and see it as two completely different things. I also think there is also a younger generation where those elitist lines become blurred. It might not be a lot of the vette vs. ZL1 but it is there.

I also understand the if you compare the ZL1 to a comparable vette the price is not the same. I relate this to the people that say "If you a going to buy this car final price shouldn't be an issue" or "If your buying this car the cost of tires shouldn't be an issue". Life would be great if that were the case but not everyone has a fruit bearing money tree. There are those like myself that are trying to make it work while signing up for a helthy helping of ramen on all the days that end in the letter Y.

So I have to agree with the OP that depending on price there will be people that cross shop. I also think that the vette being the status symbol that it is a base vette puts you onto a different playing field. Like goldenbear stated 80k vs. 12K there will be those that go with the vette just because less people own them. Around my area there are camaros around every corner there are 3 just on my street alone. I am having a hard time putting the Lt and ZL1 in the same sentance but it will help prove my point. Unless close to the two one would have a hard time distinguishing the two apart. Yet from great distance you can tell an LT from a Vette.

I am hoping the price doesn't push me out of the car that has captivated me since Feb.

[NoeJeko]

Originally Posted by EVoLGRiMM

Like goldenbear stated 80k vs. 12K there will be those that go with the vette just because less people own them. Around my area there are camaros around every corner there are 3 just on my street alone. I am having a hard time putting the Lt and ZL1 in the same sentance but it will help prove my point. Unless close to the two one would have a hard time distinguishing the two apart. Yet from great distance you can tell an LT from a Vette.

This was part of my rationale in buying. I've always been turned off by the 'car that everyone drives.' This is why I'd probably never consider buying a Civic for any reason :P

When I bought my Camaro in 2010 the 5th gen was a rare sight. As they grew more popular my girlfriend would continually point to a base model LT and say "look, there's your car!" Owning a fully loaded 2SS, this made my blood boil.

My Grand Sport, on the other hand, is still a rare sight and I enjoy that fact almost as much as the car itself. Maybe I'm part of that "younger generation" but I still consider both amazing vehicles and would be proud to be seen in either.

Mustang, on the other hand.. F that LOL. To each his (her) own.

[FINALLYSATISFIED]

How much is a brand new CTS-V? You can probably bet that the ZL1 will have the same price tag considering it has the same engine and the technology that is equipped.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by MY1STCAMAR0

How much is a brand new CTS-V? You can probably bet that the ZL1 will have the same price tag considering it has the same engine and the technology that is equipped.

Does it have the same level of Luxury?

Is the ZL1 a Cadillac?

Two very important questions where this comment is concerned.......

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

I have an '08 Z51 Vette, a 09 CTS-V and a 11 Camaro RS.. and I can attest that I, in no way, consider a Camaro.. V6, SS, or ZL1 to be on the same level as a Corvette. Even if the Camaro has more power than the base/GS Vette in year one.. it still will be no faster I'm willing to bet.

Based on the current upgrades the Corvette has gotten via the Z06-Z07... what I think U are seeing is the C7 Corvette getting ready to move up to a base price of $55K (current base for GS)... GS moving to $60K... Z06 moving to $80K.. and the ZR1 going to $115K

and can U really blame Chevy??? The car that U are getting even in base form is vastly under-priced for the level of performance U get. The base model beats most Ferraris. The Camaro now starting in at $23K going up to a probably $49K base for the ZL1... the Corvette really needs to move up a bit.

In reality.. the low end Sports car segment is weak and unprofitable. The 370z's sales are pathetic. The RX8 is dead. Genesis coupe sales are weak. Chevy.. GM does not need a cheap "Solstice" right now. What they need is a coupe-SS version of the Cruze.

[FINALLYSATISFIED]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Does it have the same level of Luxury?

Is the ZL1 a Cadillac?

Two very important questions where this comment is concerned.......

I see your point. :(

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by MY1STCAMAR0

How much is a brand new CTS-V? You can probably bet that the ZL1 will have the same price tag considering it has the same engine and the technology that is equipped.

Are U serious? The ZL-1 will come in at about the same costs as a GT500. GM Execs would be FOOLS to have it start at the $64K price tag of the V, which is actually too low still despite it's $6K price hike since 2009.

Again.. and U should kno this.. and I would think we all should kno this.. A CAMARO..is not a Vette.. and it damn sure ain't a Cadillac.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by MY1STCAMAR0

I see your point. :(

You're barking up the right tree, I think....

But just copying a price won't do, imo...because by the logic above...a 2LT Camaro ought to cost $40,000...because that's how much a CTS with the same engine and similar gadgets costs.

[dirishboy]

I have to agree. I have stated elsewhere that if the ZL1 is above $53 with a few basic options then I will be shopping around for what I could get for the same money. Right now with $3000 off a 2011 Grand Sport I would have to seriously consider it.

[Scarrzz]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

No matter how hard one tries, one can't fit four people into a Corvette.

If the three girls are small enough...


...and the best looking one doesn't mind straddling the shifter.


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