ZL1 is a bargain

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

You're not very smart are you......

The Boss 302 handles as well as the M3 with a solid rear axle.....

The M3 is an amazing car too just for the record and out performing it for half the price is amazing....

You are wrong buddy. The Boss handles better than the M3.

Can't wait til you have your GT500

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by Uneducated Guess

Dragoneye saw the GT500 numbers for VIR while he was there and assured us that it wasn't faster than the ZL1. He wouldn't say what the time was though. The margin could be huge, or it could be minimal. By the way he said it, I don't think it was that close. Just an assumption though. I wonder if they(Ford) will release the times for VIR.

Hmmmm....must have missed that one. Wonder what number he saw? To my knowledge, the 2013 GT500 does not have a VIR time yet.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Uneducated Guess

Dragoneye saw the GT500 numbers for VIR while he was there and assured us that it wasn't faster than the ZL1. He wouldn't say what the time was though. The margin could be huge, or it could be minimal. By the way he said it, I don't think it was that close. Just an assumption though. I wonder if they(Ford) will release the times for VIR.

I find this statement hard to believe. If he did, it would be plastered all over this site. Besides, it would have been leaked out by the media by now.

Dragoneye, could you step in to put some light to this statement?

[tooslow]

I found it. All he said is that GM noted that the ZL1 lapped VIR 6 seconds faster than the fastest recorded GT500 time on the same course.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by tooslow

I found it. All he said is that GM noted that the ZL1 lapped VIR 6 seconds faster than the fastest recorded GT500 time on the same course.

That makes a lot more sense.

[tooslow]

No doubt. That must have been the 2011 GT500. It ran a 2:58.48 which, by the way, was 9 seconds faster than the 2010 GT500. Not sure if the 2013 GT500 can pick up a similar margin over the 2011, but with 100 more HP, bigger/better brakes, stickier tires and improved gearing it should be considerably faster. Time will tell.

[JMAN311]

Originally Posted by hognutz

truth of it they are both very expensive for a mustang or a camaro they just happen to back it up. Niether of these cars came in at the 50k that I wanted to pay for my next car so I am not calling them bargains IMO. 55-60k a car better bring it.

to me the difference between the two is splitting hairs. for 61,495 you can have a track ready GT500. for 61,495 I could eaisly have a 650hp ZL-1 with a manual the auto could cost more. some people will say the GT500 is better for drag racing but personally if I were drag racing at my local track I think I would want the AUTO wich the GT500 did not bring to the table. IF I were street drag racing then the base gt500 is where it is at.

bottom line buy the one you like the looks of as that is the hardest thing to change ha ha.

the real advantage to the ZL-1 is the suspension adjustablity and you can get an auto if that is your thing, the real advantage of the gt500 is the 650hp forged motor and scalable options.

Totally agree with all your points here hognutz. It's all about what you want to use it for. And if I could afford it, I'd definately have 1 of each

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by tooslow

No doubt. That must have been the 2011 GT500. It ran a 2:58.48 which, by the way, was 9 seconds faster than the 2010 GT500. Not sure if the 2013 GT500 can pick up a similar margin over the 2011, but with 100 more HP, bigger/better brakes, stickier tires and improved gearing it should be considerably faster. Time will tell.

The '13 vert is roughly 3.5 seconds faster than the outgoing coupe around a certain course I don't know what course that is though...

[IcePick06]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

The '13 vert is roughly 3.5 seconds faster than the outgoing coupe around a certain course I don't know what course that is though...

I believe it's VIR

[Grimlock]

The ZL1 is a bargain if you have at least $55k lying around.

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

The '13 vert is roughly 3.5 seconds faster than the outgoing coupe around a certain course I don't know what course that is though...

It was Sebring, not VIR.

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by tooslow

Do we even know what it will take for the 2013 GT500 to stick with the ZL1 yet? We assume a base GT500 without the PP and TP won't be able to match the ZL1 on a road course, but we don't know it.

What happens if the base GT500 puts up numbers equal to the ZL1 at VIR?

In my opinion, both cars are performance bargains for what you are getting in that segment.

Not if you want to keep the warranty intact. A track ready GT500 is still covered under the factory warranty. A ZL1 modified to make 650hp would not be.

not at the track. so you either lie or if you have issue at the track your dime. the car is track ready but the waranty is not so at that point is apples vs apples. that is if you will actaully track the car though many will not.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by tooslow

Hmmmm....must have missed that one. Wonder what number he saw? To my knowledge, the 2013 GT500 does not have a VIR time yet.

No, it doesn't.

The fastest GT500 SVT time (I believe it was an 11....could have been a 12) was a full 6 seconds slower than the ZL1. The ZL1's home is on a road course...the Mustang is simply not up to that challenge.

Abandon all hope, ye GT500s who enter VIR.

[Drake Heminger]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

No, it doesn't.

The fastest GT500 SVT time (I believe it was an 11....could have been a 12) was a full 6 seconds slower than the ZL1. The ZL1's home is on a road course...the Mustang is simply not up to that challenge.

Abandon all hope, ye GT500s who enter VIR.

Dragoneye!!!!!!! where have you been sir?!