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raykwok · 08-22-2009, 02:59 PM

which shorty headers provide the most hp? and i'm guessing the kooks long headers are one of the best?

MarylandSpeed · 08-22-2009, 03:12 PM

Shorties through the stock cats will at most make 5-10HP. If you replace that cats..it will be a little more power..but at that point emissions would be out the window anyway, so you might as well get LT's which will make 30-40 rwhp with a tune.

To explain in a more technical manner..shorties make a little more power because they are basically a better flowing manifold. LT headers however make even more power because through their design and length, they scavange. Scavange means that they not only flow better..but they also increase exhaust velocity. The best analogy is kinda like how when you pinch a hose, the water speeds up. When you speed up the exhaust gases with an LT, they leave the combusion chamber faster, and your engine can breathe easier, making more power.

trenchdog73 · 08-23-2009, 01:51 PM

Dont know if these will be comon results but here is what they posted. Those numbers are with an all stock exhaust.

Edrock · 08-24-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by trenchdog73

Dont know if these will be comon results but here is what they posted. Those numbers are with an all stock exhaust.

WOW! Look at the gain in TORQUE! Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout! Also, check it out, they are ceramic coated too. DT shorties for me!!

*radz28* · 08-24-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Edrock

WOW! Look at the gain in TORQUE! Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout! Also, check it out, they are ceramic coated too. DT shorties for me!!

That's the way I'm going. Unless the GMPP shorties are all stainless and at a close price to the DTs, I'll going the DT route.

Van · 08-24-2009, 11:05 AM

didn't someone mention something about the longevity of the DT headers because they weren't SS?

JoshJ81 · 08-24-2009, 12:55 PM

Yeah if this car can breathe better, it seems to show it's real torque potential.

SlingShot · 08-24-2009, 01:14 PM

Never could understand why they didn't put shorty's from the factory ..... Heck even import trucks run them for better power and MPG ....

Bewenched · 08-24-2009, 04:32 PM

JBA Just released their headers and they do have shorty headers.

1812S 2010 Camaro*6.2L 1 3/4 Shorty Headers - Stainless
1812SJS 2010 Camaro*6.2L 1 3/4 Shorty Headers - Silver Ceramic
1812SJT 2010 Camaro*6.2L 1 3/4 Shorty Headers - Titanium Ceramic
1812SY 2010 Camaro 6.2L 2.5"* "Mid pipes for sue with 1812 Headers
1812SYC 2010 Camaro 6.2L 2.5"* "Mid pipes for sue with 1812 Headers
1816S 2010 v6 Camaro Headers - Stainless
1816SJS 2010 v6 Camaro Headers - Silver Ceramic
1816SJT 2010 v6 Camaro Headers - Titanium Ceramic
6812S 2010 Camaro 6.2L 1 3/4 Longtube Headers - Stainless
6812SJS 2010 Camaro 6.2L 1 3/4 Longtube Headers - Silver Ceramic
6812SJT 2010 Camaro 6.2L 1 3/4 Longtube Headers - Titanium Ceramic
6812SD 2010 Camaro 6.2L Mids pipes for use with 6812 headers and factory exhaust
6812SDC 2010 Camaro 6.2L Mids pipes for use with 6812 headers and factory exhaust
6813S 2010 Camaro 6.2L 1*7/8 Longtube Headers - Stainless
6813SJS 2010 Camaro 6.2L 1*7/8 Longtube Headers - Silver Ceramic
6813SJT 2010 Camaro 6.2L 1*7/8 Longtube Headers - Titanium Ceramic
6813SD 2010 Camaro 6.2L Mids pipes for use with 6813 headers and 3" 40-3113 exhaust
6813SDC 2010 Camaro 6.2L Mids pipes for use with 6813 headers and 3" 40-3113 exhaust
40-3112 2010 Camaro 2.5" Axel Back
40-3113 2010 Camaro Competition 3" Full Catback for use with 6813 headers and mids
40-3114 2010 Camaro 2.5 - 3.0" Catback for use with factory manifolds or shorty headers
40-3116 2010 Camaro 2.5" Axel Back for v6 Application.

*radz28* · 08-24-2009, 06:02 PM

Eh - I can't get the photos to come up; thanks for posting those though!!! Good price on the stainless ones

JoshJ81 · 08-24-2009, 06:07 PM

Which is generally better, stainless, Silver, or titanium? The Titanium seems the best IMO, and the price is good to, $499.

*radz28* · 08-24-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshJ81

Which is generally better, stainless, Silver, or titanium? The Titanium seems the best IMO, and the price is good to, $499.

I think it depends on your enviornment. Personally, I get stainless because I don't have to worry about coatings flaking and such. The Ti and cermanics will flake overtime on cars that see a lot of salt, and even some that don't. You don't have to worry about that with stainless. Stainless will start to look a little rough after a while, while the coated headers will maintain a nice finish longer (at least until they start flaking...) Some people have had better luck that others with coatings, so I'm not suggesting that it's guarantee they'll flake, it's just that every coated header I've seen, except for track-only cars, have. It's said that stainless has better heat retention properties than mid-steel, but I'm sure the coatings make up for any difficiency, if not make it better than the raw stainless.

JMO...

trenchdog73 · 08-24-2009, 08:13 PM

TheY have had those jba shorties on eBay for a while. Great price for stainless but I want to see a dyno befor I commit. If the numbers rnt there then Doug thorley it is.

HaveBlue · 08-24-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshJ81

Which is generally better, stainless, Silver, or titanium? The Titanium seems the best IMO, and the price is good to, $499.

FYI, "Titanium" isn't really Titanium metal. It's a darker color of ceramic coating.

08-23-2009, 01:51 PM	#17
trenchdog73 Drives: 2010 2ss/rs Cyber grey camaro Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: chicago Posts: 93	Dont know if these will be comon results but here is what they posted. Those numbers are with an all stock exhaust. __________________ 7663

08-24-2009, 11:05 AM	#20
Van Drives: 2006 EVO MR - 390 @ wheels Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Antonio Posts: 384	didn't someone mention something about the longevity of the DT headers because they weren't SS? __________________ 2010 2SS/RS 6spd manual -- Victory Red / Black Leather 1100, Preliminary order accepted 7/27/09 2000, Order accepted by GM 8/13/09 3000, Order accepted by production control 8/18/2009 TPW 9/07/2009 3300, Order scheduled for production 8/24/2009 3400, Order broadcast 9/1/2009 3800, Order produced 9/11/2009 4200, Shipped 9/11/2009 5000, Delivered to the dealer

08-24-2009, 12:55 PM	#21
JoshJ81 Drives: '10 Camaro 2SS/RS Black Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Posts: 257	Yeah if this car can breathe better, it seems to show it's real torque potential. __________________ 2SS/RS A6 L99 - Black w/White Stripes K&N Air Intake System Muffler Delete

08-24-2009, 01:14 PM	#22
SlingShot Drives: 2012 ZL1 - #670 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Seminole, Fl. Posts: 8,009	Never could understand why they didn't put shorty's from the factory ..... Heck even import trucks run them for better power and MPG .... __________________

08-24-2009, 06:02 PM	#24
radz28 Petro-sexual Drives: Ultra-Grin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Crazy Coast Posts: 15,795 View My Garage	Eh - I can't get the photos to come up; thanks for posting those though!!! Good price on the stainless ones __________________ '20 ZL1 Black "Fury" A10, PDR, Exposed CF Extractor Magnuson Magnum DI TVS2650R // RFBG // Soler 103 // TooHighPSI Port Injection // THPSI Billet Lid // FF // Katech Drop-In // PLM Heat Exchanger // ZLE Cradle bushings // BMR Chassis-Suspension Stuff // aFe Bars // Diode Dynamics LEDs // ACS Composites Guards // CF Dash // Aeroforce // tint // other stuffs

08-22-2009, 02:59 PM	#15
raykwok Drives: 08 Audi S5 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Morristown, NJ Posts: 5	which shorty headers provide the most hp? and i'm guessing the kooks long headers are one of the best?

08-22-2009, 03:12 PM	#16
MarylandSpeed Account Suspended Drives: 2012 ZL1 & 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 3,378	Shorties through the stock cats will at most make 5-10HP. If you replace that cats..it will be a little more power..but at that point emissions would be out the window anyway, so you might as well get LT's which will make 30-40 rwhp with a tune. To explain in a more technical manner..shorties make a little more power because they are basically a better flowing manifold. LT headers however make even more power because through their design and length, they scavange. Scavange means that they not only flow better..but they also increase exhaust velocity. The best analogy is kinda like how when you pinch a hose, the water speeds up. When you speed up the exhaust gases with an LT, they leave the combusion chamber faster, and your engine can breathe easier, making more power.

08-24-2009, 04:32 PM	#23
Bewenched Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: DFW Posts: 343 View My Garage	JBA Just released their headers and they do have shorty headers. 1812S 2010 Camaro6.2L 1 3/4 Shorty Headers - Stainless 1812SJS 2010 Camaro6.2L 1 3/4 Shorty Headers - Silver Ceramic 1812SJT 2010 Camaro6.2L 1 3/4 Shorty Headers - Titanium Ceramic 1812SY 2010 Camaro 6.2L 2.5" "Mid pipes for sue with 1812 Headers 1812SYC 2010 Camaro 6.2L 2.5"* "Mid pipes for sue with 1812 Headers 1816S 2010 v6 Camaro Headers - Stainless 1816SJS 2010 v6 Camaro Headers - Silver Ceramic 1816SJT 2010 v6 Camaro Headers - Titanium Ceramic 6812S 2010 Camaro 6.2L 1 3/4 Longtube Headers - Stainless 6812SJS 2010 Camaro 6.2L 1 3/4 Longtube Headers - Silver Ceramic 6812SJT 2010 Camaro 6.2L 1 3/4 Longtube Headers - Titanium Ceramic 6812SD 2010 Camaro 6.2L Mids pipes for use with 6812 headers and factory exhaust 6812SDC 2010 Camaro 6.2L Mids pipes for use with 6812 headers and factory exhaust 6813S 2010 Camaro 6.2L 17/8 Longtube Headers - Stainless 6813SJS 2010 Camaro 6.2L 17/8 Longtube Headers - Silver Ceramic 6813SJT 2010 Camaro 6.2L 1*7/8 Longtube Headers - Titanium Ceramic 6813SD 2010 Camaro 6.2L Mids pipes for use with 6813 headers and 3" 40-3113 exhaust 6813SDC 2010 Camaro 6.2L Mids pipes for use with 6813 headers and 3" 40-3113 exhaust 40-3112 2010 Camaro 2.5" Axel Back 40-3113 2010 Camaro Competition 3" Full Catback for use with 6813 headers and mids 40-3114 2010 Camaro 2.5 - 3.0" Catback for use with factory manifolds or shorty headers 40-3116 2010 Camaro 2.5" Axel Back for v6 Application.

08-24-2009, 06:07 PM	#25
JoshJ81 Drives: '10 Camaro 2SS/RS Black Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Posts: 257	Which is generally better, stainless, Silver, or titanium? The Titanium seems the best IMO, and the price is good to, $499. __________________ 2SS/RS A6 L99 - Black w/White Stripes K&N Air Intake System Muffler Delete

08-24-2009, 08:13 PM	#27
trenchdog73 Drives: 2010 2ss/rs Cyber grey camaro Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: chicago Posts: 93	TheY have had those jba shorties on eBay for a while. Great price for stainless but I want to see a dyno befor I commit. If the numbers rnt there then Doug thorley it is. __________________ 7663

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