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theholycow · 04-27-2008, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 17ac

but we dont drive tuners nd dont use e-brakes so we dont call it drifting

we call it powersliding

o2camaross · 04-27-2008, 09:34 AM

true manual with a clutch for the win!!!

z28collection · 04-27-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by o2camaross

true manual with a clutch for the win!!!

ye what he said.

fastball · 04-27-2008, 11:05 AM

Manual. I've driven nothing but stick since I learned how to drive 14 years ago, and I will never - NEVER - own a car without a clutch. I have no problem sacrificing a little aggrivation in city trafic for the pure fun of rowing your own gears. I have driven cars with paddle shifters, and to drive them like a true manual is confusing because you're always trying to figure out which way or which button is up shift or down shift (each mfg. has their own fancy way of making the stupid thing). With a stick, I can get into any car and they're all exactly the same.

Let's put it this way: if I could not get a manual on the Camaro, I would not even be interested in looking at it, let alone buying it.

Muscle Master · 04-27-2008, 01:56 PM

Is it possible for a paddle shifting manual?

theholycow · 04-27-2008, 02:11 PM

There's no such thing yet invented. Would you want to just use the paddles instead of the stick, while still using the clutch? That would require half the servos and computer found in a SMT/DSG.

If you wanted to just hit the paddles and not have to operate the clutch, now we're getting into some things discussed in this thread:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...5602#post65602
Someone suggested a SMT/DSG with an optional-use clutch pedal and I theorized on how it could be done. Add to that the not-yet-invented H-pattern shift gate for SMT/DSG/auto and it's damn near the best of all possible worlds...

Muscle Master · 04-27-2008, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theholycow

There's no such thing yet invented. Would you want to just use the paddles instead of the stick, while still using the clutch? That would require half the servos and computer found in a SMT/DSG.

If you wanted to just hit the paddles and not have to operate the clutch, now we're getting into some things discussed in this thread:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...5602#post65602
Someone suggested a SMT/DSG with an optional-use clutch pedal and I theorized on how it could be done. Add to that the not-yet-invented H-pattern shift gate for SMT/DSG/auto and it's damn near the best of all possible worlds...

if anyone develop it first it would be mercedes or bmw

Omega94 · 04-27-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Muscle Master

if anyone develop it first it would be mercedes or bmw

What would the point of it be, though?? Paddle shifters, in serious cases, are supposed to help with the speed of shifting...(also convenience, but forget that right now)...If you need to disengage the clutch, tap the paddle, and re-engage the clutch...it doesn't really differ from rowing through the gears...except that you wouldn't get near as much exercise! It's like saying 5+5 is better than 6+4...in essence...it's the same exact thing...

theholycow · 04-27-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega94

Paddle shifters, in serious cases, are supposed to help with the speed of shifting.

Paddle shifters are to keep your hands on the wheel. Automatics and automated manuals are to help with the speed of shifting.

SoFlaZ · 04-27-2008, 03:39 PM

Im going manual, possible for the auto but it would have to REALLY impress me or if the clutch is too heavy i may consider it. If I did get auto i would leave it in fully auto mode because it will most likely shift at better points than I would shift at. Plus i would learn how to kick it up a gear with my foot so i dont care too much for paddles or +- shifter. DSG is a different story, I would take that in a heartbeat.

Congoman775 · 04-27-2008, 04:39 PM

paddles are an effective way of speed shifting. or rather, a delayed shift. in a regular auto its harder to accel due to the generous rpm shift clicks installed on the vehicle, but with paddles you can almost feel the car agressively responding. i am a valet, and i admit ive played with my share of cars. my favorites being the new z06 and M5. BOTH of which opted for paddles. unless you have driven a high performance car with paddles, dont talk down on them, they have been known to outperform your average manual.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 04-27-2008, 04:46 PM

Are you sure it was the Z06? There's no paddles on that car...because all of them are manual trannys.

It would have to be the 'normal' Corvette for it to have paddle-shifters.

It muct be kinda cool being a valet, and being able to drive all sorts of different cars, even if it's only to the parking lot and back again.

tony19118 · 04-27-2008, 04:56 PM

Definately cant wait to get my hands on the 6 speed manual in the new camaro! I dream about this at night its all i can think about! I have an automatic 1999 v6 right now, which while im totally in love with this car, the only thing i wish i had (besides the LS1 of course) is a manual tranny. My vote is clutch hands down.

SoFlaZ · 04-27-2008, 05:01 PM

I used to be a valet as well, most fun job i've ever had. Especially since I was at a polo club with exremely rich people lol. I've tested tons of +- shifters and all seem slow and sluggish. Moms 300m, takes forever, sisters Mazda6, takes forever. Same with my friends C230 all slow.

I drove an 07 vette at rev it up with the paddles and when u are auto-X ing the shift time 2 second seemed like forever, same with cobalts but im sure it was better than a cobalt. I just kept it in 1st the next time around and that got me the best time. I have driven a maserati with paddles and that thing shifted fast! just like and auto when I hit the paddle, DSG. Went to return an M3 with SMT, that was FUN. but i didnt abuse the car so you can trust me to park your BMW's and stuff.

Im not trying to bash the autos and shifter devices, I just prefer clutchin' it and burning some rubber.

04-27-2008, 04:46 PM	#26
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	Are you sure it was the Z06? There's no paddles on that car...because all of them are manual trannys.It would have to be the 'normal' Corvette for it to have paddle-shifters. It muct be kinda cool being a valet, and being able to drive all sorts of different cars, even if it's only to the parking lot and back again. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

04-27-2008, 04:56 PM	#27
tony19118 Drives: 2016 Camaro 1SS M6 Hyper Blue Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Port Richey, Florida Posts: 111 View My Garage	Definately cant wait to get my hands on the 6 speed manual in the new camaro! I dream about this at night its all i can think about! I have an automatic 1999 v6 right now, which while im totally in love with this car, the only thing i wish i had (besides the LS1 of course) is a manual tranny. My vote is clutch hands down. __________________ 2016 1SS M6 Hyper Blue - Owned 2020-present 2012 1LS M6 Black - Owned 2015-2020 1995 Z/28 M6 Green - Owned 2011-2015 1999 V6 A4 Red w/T-Tops - Owned 2002-2008

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o2camaross Drives: 2010 2SS/RS & 04 silvy Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Driving Posts: 362	true manual with a clutch for the win!!!

04-27-2008, 11:05 AM	#18
fastball Banned Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS 6MT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 4,361	Manual. I've driven nothing but stick since I learned how to drive 14 years ago, and I will never - NEVER - own a car without a clutch. I have no problem sacrificing a little aggrivation in city trafic for the pure fun of rowing your own gears. I have driven cars with paddle shifters, and to drive them like a true manual is confusing because you're always trying to figure out which way or which button is up shift or down shift (each mfg. has their own fancy way of making the stupid thing). With a stick, I can get into any car and they're all exactly the same. Let's put it this way: if I could not get a manual on the Camaro, I would not even be interested in looking at it, let alone buying it.

04-27-2008, 03:39 PM	#24
SoFlaZ Drives: 2013 SS LS3 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: WPB FL Posts: 947 View My Garage	Im going manual, possible for the auto but it would have to REALLY impress me or if the clutch is too heavy i may consider it. If I did get auto i would leave it in fully auto mode because it will most likely shift at better points than I would shift at. Plus i would learn how to kick it up a gear with my foot so i dont care too much for paddles or +- shifter. DSG is a different story, I would take that in a heartbeat.

04-27-2008, 04:39 PM	#25
Congoman775 Drives: Muscle Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 1,314	paddles are an effective way of speed shifting. or rather, a delayed shift. in a regular auto its harder to accel due to the generous rpm shift clicks installed on the vehicle, but with paddles you can almost feel the car agressively responding. i am a valet, and i admit ive played with my share of cars. my favorites being the new z06 and M5. BOTH of which opted for paddles. unless you have driven a high performance car with paddles, dont talk down on them, they have been known to outperform your average manual.

04-27-2008, 05:01 PM	#28
SoFlaZ Drives: 2013 SS LS3 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: WPB FL Posts: 947 View My Garage	I used to be a valet as well, most fun job i've ever had. Especially since I was at a polo club with exremely rich people lol. I've tested tons of +- shifters and all seem slow and sluggish. Moms 300m, takes forever, sisters Mazda6, takes forever. Same with my friends C230 all slow. I drove an 07 vette at rev it up with the paddles and when u are auto-X ing the shift time 2 second seemed like forever, same with cobalts but im sure it was better than a cobalt. I just kept it in 1st the next time around and that got me the best time. I have driven a maserati with paddles and that thing shifted fast! just like and auto when I hit the paddle, DSG. Went to return an M3 with SMT, that was FUN. but i didnt abuse the car so you can trust me to park your BMW's and stuff. Im not trying to bash the autos and shifter devices, I just prefer clutchin' it and burning some rubber.