Anyone NOT run with a catch can? - Page 2 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

KaBoom1701 · 02-19-2015, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jessrayo

I didn't have one until I blew a rear seal. I kind of think it really isn't that big of a deal for the car to burn that gunk and you have to run a lot of oil through your supercharger before it affects the performance. I have had 3 supercharged cars and have a total of probably 120,000 miles on the 3 cars. I never had a catch can on the first 2 and probably still would not have one if I didn't have excess crankcase pressure on my highly boosted motor. I kind of think the cans draw out more gunk than passes the standard pcv which makes it look very important. The supercharger has been on and off my ZL1 many times with no indication there is any gunk getting on it at all. I kind of think it just gives you something else you have to watch. I suspect if you put 100,000+ miles on the engine and supercharger you would have some discoloration in the supercharger from the recycling of oil vapors but in the absence of another problem I don't think it will affect performance much. I honestly go through a lot of cars and engines and don't see me ever owning anything long enough that that can is going to make a difference. That is my opinion. If I thought I would keep the car until I die it would probably be a good idea. I don't think I have ever had a car more than 5 or 6 years.

+1

I have one and it dose work. If you plan on keeping your car forever then put one on to keep the blow-by oil from building up carbon deposit on your cylinder heads. If your going to sell your car within the next 5 years...don't worry about it.

BeachBum · 02-19-2015, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by harmonyp

I'm new to owning a supercharged car. Every time a catch can comes up in this forum, which is a LOT, says - it's a MUST have, and the sooner the better.

Curious how many people have NOT installed catch can's on their ZL1s. Any issues?

I'm Presently Not Running A Catch-Can On My Car - I Only Have Around 2800 Miles On Her - From What I've Read And Seen, I Think I'll Be Putting One On Her - There Is Definitely Some Oil Blow-By As I've Seen From My Buddy's Cars With Catch-Cans

unstable vic · 02-19-2015, 02:30 PM

The factory has a 100,000 mile warranty on these motors. If they felt a catch can was important to get to 100,000 miles don't you think it would be there? I for one will not be using one. I am sure they work. Are they needed? I'm not so sure of that.

jayno20 · 02-19-2015, 02:44 PM

I don't really think it affects the longevity as much as it just keeps the intake free of oil... Less for me to have to clean. That by itself is worth it for me.

ac223mal · 02-19-2015, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by unstable vic

The factory has a 100,000 mile warranty on these motors. If they felt a catch can was important to get to 100,000 miles don't you think it would be there? I for one will not be using one. I am sure they work. Are they needed? I'm not so sure of that.

ill agree with you on that...

ZED SLED · 02-19-2015, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by unstable vic

The factory has a 100,000 mile warranty on these motors. If they felt a catch can was important to get to 100,000 miles don't you think it would be there? I for one will not be using one. I am sure they work. Are they needed? I'm not so sure of that.

On the other hand, if they were OEM, they would likely get filled up from neglect by the everyday buyer and dump oil back into the engine. Without one, dealers can charge a few hundred bucks for an intake system cleaning every 40-50k miles or so.

misterhappy · 02-19-2015, 03:22 PM

We are talking about a 200 dollar(expensive side) mod for a 60k+ car. Even is it isn't 100% proven to be needed, for 200 dollars (or less) I would think you just do it.

unstable vic · 02-19-2015, 04:04 PM

It's not the $200. I just don't want extra clutter in the engine compartment. Especially for something not proven to be needed. The internet is a funny thing. It's like how can you drive your car without a catch can??? OMG!!!!! Your neglecting it!!!!

owhite3003 · 02-19-2015, 04:13 PM

They do catch the oil and they do look nice! Is it absolutely needed, well that will always be debated.

KaBoom1701 · 02-19-2015, 04:16 PM

Here's an easy test....

Remove the intake housing going to your TB and take a look or swipe a rag around the TB. If you see small amounts of oil then you know what the catch can catches.

Simple enough.

Holliss69 · 02-19-2015, 04:18 PM

Prophylactic in my opinion ...... and more so gave me a chance to use the word prophylactic!

ZL1Kid_AL · 02-19-2015, 05:05 PM

For everyone running a catch can. Are you guys running a 2 port or 3 port? Pros cons of each? What do you recommend??? 3 port has lines to the inlet and outlet and the third one I believe is ran to the intake

RSDZ302 · 02-19-2015, 05:41 PM

4 SC cars before the ZL1. 1 has over 3000,000 miles and never had a problem, Yes there is oil film in the intake but it gets burned. 197,000 miles on #2 car and 78,000 miles on #3 car. #4 is a GT500 that is run hard with 48,000 miles. Did a blower swap this winter and old blower looked new inside. Oil changes on all these cars is at 3000 miles and all but the GT500 have Delo 400 15/40 in them Hi detergent which caries away all deposits. Never had any sludge buildup in any of them.
As for is the catch can worth it? if it makes you feel better then yes it is. it has yet to prove it is needed to improve engine performance or longevity to me. Before and after dyno tests show no differance. I for 1 like a clean engine compartment. not looking for show under the hood, I will save that for the outside of the car.

ZO6 Bryan · 02-19-2015, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ZED SLED

This post w/pic of a ZL1 blower is from Rx in one of the catch can threads, so it may be just a little embellished. They were, after all, in the business of selling catch cans.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...15&postcount=8

That's not even a pic of a ZL1 blower. That pic has been on every forum out there.
https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sb...IXhnOQwDwuHnSi

02-19-2015, 04:16 PM	#24
KaBoom1701 KaBoom1701 Drives: 13' ZL1 Red M6 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: I.E. SoCal (Yucaipa) Posts: 8,631	Here's an easy test.... Remove the intake housing going to your TB and take a look or swipe a rag around the TB. If you see small amounts of oil then you know what the catch can catches. Simple enough. __________________ Mods: Roto-Fab Intake, WW Res. kit & Big Gulp Air Scoop, Elite Catch Can, ATI Super Damper & 18% OD Pulley, LF Idler pulley bracket, Metco CC breather, ID850 Injectors, Stainless Power Headers w/ ceramic coating, TR71X Spark Plugs, JMS Fuel Pump Booster, Bo White TB, Tuned by Ted @ Jannetty Racing, Ron Davis HX, D3 Reservoir, Pfadt 1" Springs, Moreno Camber Plates, ZL1 Addons Splitter guard washers, Tow Hook kit & rock guards, Hurst Shifter Billet Plus 6 Speed Short Shifter, ZL1 DRL lighting harness, ZL1 Recaro Seats.

02-19-2015, 05:05 PM	#26
ZL1Kid_AL Drives: 2014 ZL1- Summit White M6 Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Thornton, Colorado Posts: 462	For everyone running a catch can. Are you guys running a 2 port or 3 port? Pros cons of each? What do you recommend??? 3 port has lines to the inlet and outlet and the third one I believe is ran to the intake __________________ 750whp @ 13psi Garage Built on Jack Stands.. 850++ 100 shot of sauce

02-19-2015, 05:41 PM	#27
RSDZ302 Drives: 2012 ZL1 red auto Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Alaska Posts: 30	4 SC cars before the ZL1. 1 has over 3000,000 miles and never had a problem, Yes there is oil film in the intake but it gets burned. 197,000 miles on #2 car and 78,000 miles on #3 car. #4 is a GT500 that is run hard with 48,000 miles. Did a blower swap this winter and old blower looked new inside. Oil changes on all these cars is at 3000 miles and all but the GT500 have Delo 400 15/40 in them Hi detergent which caries away all deposits. Never had any sludge buildup in any of them. As for is the catch can worth it? if it makes you feel better then yes it is. it has yet to prove it is needed to improve engine performance or longevity to me. Before and after dyno tests show no differance. I for 1 like a clean engine compartment. not looking for show under the hood, I will save that for the outside of the car. __________________ 2012 stock ZL1 red, 1925 Model TT, 1930 Model A, 1955 Chev delivery, 1967 Ford LTD fastback, 1969 Camaro LS w/turbo. 625 RWHP, 1969 RSDZ302 stock, 2008 Shelby GT500.[SIGPIC][SIGPIC]

02-19-2015, 02:30 PM	#17
unstable vic Account Suspended Drives: 2014 ZL1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 342	The factory has a 100,000 mile warranty on these motors. If they felt a catch can was important to get to 100,000 miles don't you think it would be there? I for one will not be using one. I am sure they work. Are they needed? I'm not so sure of that.

02-19-2015, 02:44 PM	#18
jayno20 Go fast, please. Drives: 2019 Corvette ZR1 Join Date: May 2014 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,471 View My Garage	I don't really think it affects the longevity as much as it just keeps the intake free of oil... Less for me to have to clean. That by itself is worth it for me.

02-19-2015, 03:22 PM	#21
misterhappy Drives: 2014 ZL1 Black on Black Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 57	We are talking about a 200 dollar(expensive side) mod for a 60k+ car. Even is it isn't 100% proven to be needed, for 200 dollars (or less) I would think you just do it.

02-19-2015, 04:04 PM	#22
unstable vic Account Suspended Drives: 2014 ZL1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 342	It's not the $200. I just don't want extra clutter in the engine compartment. Especially for something not proven to be needed. The internet is a funny thing. It's like how can you drive your car without a catch can??? OMG!!!!! Your neglecting it!!!!

02-19-2015, 04:13 PM	#23
owhite3003 Z-BEAST Drives: 2013 JDP ZL-850 Track Spec ZL1, Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Oregon City, OR Posts: 1,471	They do catch the oil and they do look nice! Is it absolutely needed, well that will always be debated.

02-19-2015, 04:18 PM	#25
Holliss69 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Coupe A6 Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Arizona/NY Posts: 108 View My Garage	Prophylactic in my opinion ...... and more so gave me a chance to use the word prophylactic!