Motul Brake Fluid void's warranty?

[Russell James]

Motul 600 works great. To cook that stuff, I'd wonder what kind of heat was being generated or was it really all good stuff in there.

Its a piece of cake to swap in and bleed. You'll need about 3 or 4 bottles, and a friend that needs a leg workout.

One person pumping the pedal, one person cracking the bleeder valves into a clear water bottle. When you have clear new fluid at that corner, done. Pump the clutch also to get it circulated in there.

I don't even mess with the ABS tech 2 thing. I go around all four corners once, starting at the farthest away from the M/C. Take it for a spin and do a few ABS stops to cycle the ABS, and it works the clutch a bit. Then go back and do all 4 corners again. That pretty much flushes out a very high percent of the old stuff, it will be very obvious. The old crud is dark, new 600 is clear.

If you've got basic brake bleeding experience, and a friend up for a leg workout, no need to mess with a dealer. Plus, like mentioned, the Motul 600 far exceeds the OE DOT 3, and is compatible with DOT 3.... so anyone with real service knowledge will know if would have no impact on warranty. Plus, no possible way they would know it is in there, unless they put it in there. It's like them trying to say better oil would void your motor warranty. Know way for them to know what oil is in there, if you put it in there.

[Z/28Dan]

I had my dealer flush and fill my system with Motul 600. I supplied the fluid and they did the work. Cost me 80.00 for them to do the job. Quite honestly, voiding a warranty never crossed my mind. This fluid meets or exceeds OEM specs, so what could be the concern?

Serious question: What could a high grade, DOT4 synthetic fluid do to your car that would need to be warrantied? I've never even heard of a brake fluid related failure for a warranty claim.

I'm all ears, so if anyone can tell me of an example, maybe I'll change my tune. This old dog learns new tricks every day.

[Russell James]

Originally Posted by ZL1Dan

I had my dealer flush and fill my system with Motul 600. I supplied the fluid and they did the work. Cost me 80.00 for them to do the job. Quite honestly, voiding a warranty never crossed my mind. This fluid meets or exceeds OEM specs, so what could be the concern?

Serious question: What could a high grade, DOT4 synthetic fluid do to your car that would need to be warrantied? I've never even heard of a brake fluid related failure for a warranty claim.

I'm all ears, so if anyone can tell me of an example, maybe I'll change my tune. This old dog learns new tricks every day.

There are some brake fluids that are not compatible, and would really cause all kinds of damage. That type of situation would be obvious, and not covered by warranty.

I think anyone that thinks Dot 4 would be a problem, just hasn't looked up that it is completely compatible with Dot 3. Plus, the owner's manual says to use racing brake fluid for competitive driving.

The funny thing is ... probably the same service writer that tells you Motul 600 will void your warranty, will probably turn around and try to upsell the person on all kinds of fluid flushes and cleanings with all kinds of aftermarket products. BG induction system cleaning... flushes of all kinds of fluids way before the factory recommended interval.

There are some great dealers that research and understand performance products. And there are some less than great that specialize in emptying your wallet on items that are most profitable for them to sell.

[ac223mal]

Maybe more stupid questions: The brake and clutch reservoir are shared; correct like they were on the SS?

If they are would changing the brake fluid cause clutch related problems? Thus resulting in a warranty issue?

If the reservoirs are separate disregard the question...

[Jeb114]

[QUOTE=Macaro;8279590]Is there a listing somewhere that tells which dealers are performance dealers and which are not? I do recall reading that to service the ZL1 they had to have a special certification but when I asked both dealers I spoke with today neither really had anything specific to say about that.

www.chevrolet.com/performance/locate.html

[ZL1-V]

I checked the locator link just to make sure and the dealer I purchased my ZL1 from is the performance dealer. I knew that already because the parts department was the first place I visited when buying the car.

They covered my SC when the bearing failed also. They don't hassle owners with mods and obtaining service issues unless they have a modified ECU and have an issue with the engine performance. Find a better dealer that doesn't talk out of their ass!

[z28lt1]

Originally Posted by ac223mal

Thank you, new question, are you guys replacing break fluid every time you track your car?

I think this depends upon your track, driving ability, and frequency. If you are boiling the fluid, then you should. I'm not a good enough driver, and I don't go often enough, that I'll do it every 2-3 events, or if it has been more than 6 months or so from the previous one. I leave it in for the street until the next one.

Originally Posted by shibbs

If you're getting water in your system quickly, you've got other problems.

I know where you are going with this, and we all agree that if lots of water is getting in, that is a problem. But their is air in the system (look at between the top of the fluid and the top of the reservoir), and if you open the cap to check fluid, change pads and re-compress the system, etc.... you are introducing air, which all has some moisture in it. From what I'm told, the 660 will really grab that and degrade much quicker. If you change every event, it won't matter, I imagine.

Originally Posted by ac223mal

Maybe more stupid questions: The brake and clutch reservoir are shared; correct like they were on the SS?

If they are would changing the brake fluid cause clutch related problems? Thus resulting in a warranty issue?

If the reservoirs are separate disregard the question...

Correct, same one. Same reervoir, so no warranty issue.

[jessrayo]

Motul 660 is more prone to absorb moisture from the air than motul 600 so it becomes "wet" more rapidly over time. If you have motul 600 you can change it every 2 years. If you have motul 660 you should change it at least once a year. Depending on how you drive the car.....I burned up a transmission and I'm on my 5th clutch, I now have a dedicated reservoir for my clutch, but my clutch fluid degrades much faster than my brake fluid....and my rotors are warped and heat cracked from road racing....

[RankSS]

My manual states:
For competitive driving, it is
recommended that the brake fluid
be replaced with a high performance
brake fluid that has a dry boiling
point greater than 279°C (534°F)

[KaBoom1701]

Once you have the dealer flush your brake fluid with Motul 600 you should buy this:

http://www.motiveproducts.com/

Then you can just bleed the brakes yourself after every hard driving event.

[RankSS]

Originally Posted by KaBoom1701

Once you have the dealer flush your brake fluid with Motul 600 you should buy this:

http://www.motiveproducts.com/

Then you can just bleed the brakes yourself after every hard driving event.

I have one of those. I will concur that it is worth every penny. The clutch is easy to bleed with this as well. Even without the tick bleeder.

[Stephen12ZL1]

Originally Posted by ZL1Dan

I had my dealer flush and fill my system with Motul 600. I supplied the fluid and they did the work. Cost me 80.00 for them to do the job. Quite honestly, voiding a warranty never crossed my mind. This fluid meets or exceeds OEM specs, so what could be the concern?

Serious question: What could a high grade, DOT4 synthetic fluid do to your car that would need to be warrantied? I've never even heard of a brake fluid related failure for a warranty claim.

I'm all ears, so if anyone can tell me of an example, maybe I'll change my tune. This old dog learns new tricks every day.

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