Pfadt Tri-Y Headers are back @ APEX!

[Apex Motorsports]

I think these just might flow a little better.

[Unreal]

Originally Posted by winterboy8

UGH, 2 weeks too late. Just got my ARH 2 days ago and now I see this.

You lucked out.

[Steel02001]

Any dyno numbers yet?

[winterboy8]

Originally Posted by Unreal

You lucked out.

Ah, the joy of not know what people mean when typing/texting/IM'ing etc. So, are you being serious or satirical? Do you think Pfadt headers are better/worse/similar to ARH? When I first started researching, and came across Pfadt, I really wanted a pair but learned they were going out of business. So, I bought my car, put the break-in miles on it and finally ordered my headers, ARH. Don't even have them on the car yet and saw this post. Anyway, I'm in the process of wrapping them now and will have them installed soon. I guess it doesn't really matter as this is my first true sports car and I'm not even sure if I could have felt the difference anyway.

[CanadianZL1#992]

Originally Posted by winterboy8

Ah, the joy of not know what people mean when typing/texting/IM'ing etc. So, are you being serious or satirical? Do you think Pfadt headers are better/worse/similar to ARH? When I first started researching, and came across Pfadt, I really wanted a pair but learned they were going out of business. So, I bought my car, put the break-in miles on it and finally ordered my headers, ARH. Don't even have them on the car yet and saw this post. Anyway, I'm in the process of wrapping them now and will have them installed soon. I guess it doesn't really matter as this is my first true sports car and I'm not even sure if I could have felt the difference anyway.

In 2012 and 2013 these were a hot item for a lot of guys because they were the only header that did not require cutting the belly pan. Chevy must have been listening, when we took my wife's 14' in for mods I noticed the pan was redesigned so the pan didn't have to be cut to accommodate LT headers.

[winterboy8]

Originally Posted by CanadianZL1#992

In 2012 and 2013 these were a hot item for a lot of guys because they were the only header that did not require cutting the belly pan. Chevy must have been listening, when we took my wife's 14' in for mods I noticed the pan was redesigned so the pan didn't have to be cut to accommodate LT headers.

Yes, found that out in my research too. I thought there was a steering knuckle interference at one time as well, but not sure how it was resolved. However, I thought the dyno showed that these made better mid-range torque and people were very happy with that. So, from a statistical (and visual as they look very nice too) point of view, it just appeared that these would be a logical choice. Again, this is with zero hands on experience with any of the mentioned systems.

From the pictures above, it looks like some type of connection pipe might be needed to connect up to the factory exhaust. I looked at the pictures on the Apex site and they have the 2 different options (Cat vs catless) but they are both integrated so you can't change your mind later. So, I guess a connection pipe will be needed to mate up???

[CanadianZL1#992]

Originally Posted by winterboy8

Yes, found that out in my research too. I thought there was a steering knuckle interference at one time as well, but not sure how it was resolved. However, I thought the dyno showed that these made better mid-range torque and people were very happy with that. So, from a statistical (and visual as they look very nice too) point of view, it just appeared that these would be a logical choice. Again, this is with zero hands on experience with any of the mentioned systems.

From the pictures above, it looks like some type of connection pipe might be needed to connect up to the factory exhaust. I looked at the pictures on the Apex site and they have the 2 different options (Cat vs catless) but they are both integrated so you can't change your mind later. So, I guess a connection pipe will be needed to mate up???

I have ARH on one car and Kooks on the other and had no issue with the steering knuckle. Both 1 7/8. I swapped the kooks out for a set of ARH 2" on one car and still fit great. I'm not sure about the low end torque but they do look like high quality stuff for sure. Every brand has connection pipes so you can go with cats or off road pipes to mate factory 2.5" or aftermarket 3" exhaust. I have to wonder if they make great mid range torque there must be a trade off somewhere else, even if it is minimal.

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by winterboy8

From the pictures above, it looks like some type of connection pipe might be needed to connect up to the factory exhaust. I looked at the pictures on the Apex site and they have the 2 different options (Cat vs catless) but they are both integrated so you can't change your mind later. So, I guess a connection pipe will be needed to mate up???

The photos you are seeing are not all the Camaro headers. Some are for the Corvette. Everything you need is included just like with any other premium brand.

Originally Posted by CanadianZL1#992

I have to wonder if they make great mid range torque there must be a trade off somewhere else, even if it is minimal.

The Tri-Y design came about as a solution to the mid range loses seen with traditional 4-into-1 headers. More mid range power without sacrificing peak power is exactly what they are designed to do. GM now uses shorty Tri-Y headers on the C7 and 6th Gen Camaro straight from the factory.

[Unreal]

Originally Posted by winterboy8

Ah, the joy of not know what people mean when typing/texting/IM'ing etc. So, are you being serious or satirical? Do you think Pfadt headers are better/worse/similar to ARH? When I first started researching, and came across Pfadt, I really wanted a pair but learned they were going out of business. So, I bought my car, put the break-in miles on it and finally ordered my headers, ARH. Don't even have them on the car yet and saw this post. Anyway, I'm in the process of wrapping them now and will have them installed soon. I guess it doesn't really matter as this is my first true sports car and I'm not even sure if I could have felt the difference anyway.

100% serious. Every test I've seen ARH out perform them. More power everywhere on the curve. ARH has top notch service, top notch parts. Better fitment, better power, and a great company. Maybe the new pfadt parts are better, but the old ones had issues.

Tri-y can work, but they have to be specifically tuned for a combo. You can't have a good off the shelf tri-y unless it was tuned specifically for a stock car. ARH and Kooks both posted why they don't make Tri-y headers. They can if you call and ask them, but they are built for specific setups and tuned for them.

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Unreal

100% serious. Every test I've seen ARH out perform them. More power everywhere on the curve. ARH has top notch service, top notch parts. Better fitment, better power, and a great company. Maybe the new pfadt parts are better, but the old ones had issues.

They have been updated and time will tell. Like I said before, there is definitely no reason to regret an ARH purchase. They make awesome headers.

[CanadianZL1#992]

The Tri-Y design came about as a solution to the mid range loses seen with traditional 4-into-1 headers. More mid range power without sacrificing peak power is exactly what they are designed to do. GM now uses shorty Tri-Y headers on the C7 and 6th Gen Camaro straight from the factory.


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It's usually to good to be true that one product has big gains in one area without sacrificing in another. But possible I guess. Do you know if there are any back to back comparisons on stock ZL1 and modded ZL1's for the headers. I believe GM uses those shorty headers you posted on the Z28 as well

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by CanadianZL1#992

It's usually to good to be true that one product has big gains in one area without sacrificing in another. But possible I guess. Do you know if there are any back to back comparisons on stock ZL1 and modded ZL1's for the headers. I believe GM uses those shorty headers you posted on the Z28 as well

Here is a back-to-back with no tuning that JDP did.

[CanadianZL1#992]

Originally Posted by Apex Motorsports

Here is a back-to-back with no tuning that JDP did.

Definitely gains over stock........ I was more interested in back to back comparisons between Kooks, ARH, and the Tri-Y.

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by CanadianZL1#992

Definitely gains over stock........ I was more interested in back to back comparisons between Kooks, ARH, and the Tri-Y.

Those kinds on tests get very expensive really fast unless the manufacturers agree to take part and provide the parts. Honestly, all three of them are outstanding products that produce great gains. You can't make a bad decision and that is why we offer all of them.