Header Prices Dropping...

[MarylandSpeed]

Couple things here. Right now we have a free coating deal if you call us. Basically if you buy Kooks headers w/ catted connection pipes at the website price, we will do Jet Hot 1700 Degree Extreme Sterling Silver coating for free. This works out to $1349 shipped. That is a hell of a deal considering that coating alone would cost $300 to do on your own and comes with Jet Hot's warranty. Of course if you don't want coating, we can help you on price somewhere else. Kooks has rules abouet what prices we can put in print, so again you need to call (no PM's/email).

As for the price difference, both are quality products..but Kooks are 304 stainless, and JBA is 409 stainless. 304 is the higher grade of stainless steel and will not rust. Uncoated 409 stainless will rust (higher iron content), but not rust through. Also, while I have not examined a set of JBA's, I know Kooks has a merge spike, merge collector, and ball and socket connection on the mid pipe. I don't think JBA typically comes with this. Also with JBA you get their coating, which really has no brand name attached with it..where if you get Kooks coated through us..you get 1700 degree Jet Hot Extreme Sterling silver and the warranty that comes with it. It is very important want your cross shop headers that you compare materials and features..things like 304 stainless, merge collectors, merge spikes, and TIG welding (required for 304 stainless) add a few hundred dollars.

JBA is a great product, and I am not trying to take anything away from it. I am just trying to help understand the price difference comes from materials and features..not one undercutting the other. If you look at a set of Kooks headers with catted connection pipes, they are about the same price as what you would pay for the GTO or Mustang, and actually cheaper than the G8, Corvette, 4th Gen F-body (these have not come down in price), and LX systems. Though expensive they are a relative value. Also if you compare the price of buying Kooks headers with full Kooks exhaust to buying Kooks headers, catted connections, and another comparable 304 stainless exhaust, Kooks wins. JBA is a great middle of the road system..but if your spending on the top end Kooks is great!

I have been selling these parts now for 6 years, and I have not seen the price of anything stainless do anything but go up. The economy crash last year made a lot of places put off price increases that were planned, but there were no price decreases. Most instead leaned out their production instead of raising prices. You might see cheaper products come out with lower grade workmanship/materials/features..but if you think Kooks is gonna go down in price..that is just not a reality. As it is right now..any Kooks Camaro stuff we get in is nearly sold before it hits our door. As a general rule, fall and winter is really the best time to buy stuff because the market is slower, and companies want to clear inventory before year end. In the spring/summer, people get their tax returns and stuff like headers end up on backorder..which really decreases the incentive to heavily discount.

Not trying to be mean..just trying to be honest for anyone looking to make a buying decision.

[mr_desmo]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

Couple things here. Right now we have a free coating deal if you call us. Basically if you buy Kooks headers w/ catted connection pipes at the website price, we will do Jet Hot 1700 Degree Extreme Sterling Silver voating for free. This works out to $1349 shipped. That is a hell of a deal considering that coating alone would cost $300 to do on your own and comes with Jet Hot's warranty. Of course if you don't want coating, we can help you on price somewhere else.

As for the price difference, both are quality products..but Kooks are 304 stainless, and JBA is 409. 304 is the higher grade of stainless steel and will not rust. Uncoated 409 stainless will rust (higher iron content), but not rust through. Also, while I have not examined a set of JBA's, I know Kooks has a merge spike, merge collector, and ball and socket connetion on the mid pipe. I don't think JBA typically comes with this. Also with JBA you get their coating, which really has no brand name attached with it..where if you get Kooks coated through us..you get 1700 degree Jet Hot Extreme Sterling silver.

JBA is a great product, and I am not trying to take anything away from it. I am just trying to help understand the price difference comes from materials and features..not one undercutting the other. If you look at a set of Kooks headers with catted connection pipes, they are actually the same price as what you would pay for the GTO or Mustang, and actually cheaper than the G8, Corvette, 4th Gen F-body, and LX systems. Though expensive they are a relative value. Also if you compare the price of buying Kooks headers with full Kooks exhaust to buying Kooks headers, catted connections, and another comparable 304 stainless exhaust, Kooks wins. JBA is a great middle of the road system..but if your spending on the top end Kooks is great!

Thanks for the clarification....really clear and knowledgeable vendor

[TY2010]

Excellent vendor, just purchased kooks headers, mbrp exhaust from Brandon. Maryland speed will give you a great price.

[rodimus prime]

Once all the initial dumdums have finished being raped with the new corvette tax, the rest of the world will start buying products when the prices come back to reasonable.

Anyone look at Lingenfelter gears. $799.....WTF? $500 CAI's WTF? $500 cat backs WTF?

Who are the dummies that pay theses prices? I caved on a set of headers with cats for $1,200 but I wasnt happy about it one bit. Im sitting out until things become reasonable. Im suprised people havent jumped up cam prices and labled them as "camaro camshafts" LOL.

[MarylandSpeed]

You should go look at what Corvette guys really pay. Their Axlebacks are $1000+ (again..an axleback), Headers are $1600+..and the cheap companies like Pacesetter don't even make parts for those cars. As the middle man..I pay the Corvette tax for those parts...just like you. However, if you compare apples to apples..Camaro prices are falling right in line with current Mustang prices. $1200 for a set of brand name, full featured, 304 stainless headers with catted connectors is at the low end price wise no matter the car. If you start using 409 stainless, and MIG welding it gets cheaper.

Originally Posted by rodimus prime

Once all the initial dumdums have finished being raped with the new corvette tax, the rest of the world will start buying products when the prices come back to reasonable.

Anyone look at Lingenfelter gears. $799.....WTF? $500 CAI's WTF? $500 cat backs WTF?

Who are the dummies that pay theses prices? I caved on a set of headers with cats for $1,200 but I wasnt happy about it one bit. Im sitting out until things become reasonable. Im suprised people havent jumped up cam prices and labled them as "camaro camshafts" LOL.

[2010SSRS]

[QUOTE=MarylandSpeed;1321666]Couple things here. Right now we have a free coating deal if you call us. Basically if you buy Kooks headers w/ catted connection pipes at the website price, we will do Jet Hot 1700 Degree Extreme Sterling Silver coating for free. This works out to $1349 shipped. That is a hell of a deal considering that coating alone would cost $300 to do on your own and comes with Jet Hot's warranty. Of course if you don't want coating, we can help you on price somewhere else. Kooks has rules abouet what prices we can put in print, so again you need to call (no PM's/email).

As for the price difference, both are quality products..but Kooks are 304 stainless, and JBA is 409 stainless. 304 is the higher grade of stainless steel and will not rust. Uncoated 409 stainless will rust (higher iron content), but not rust through. Also, while I have not examined a set of JBA's, I know Kooks has a merge spike, merge collector, and ball and socket connection on the mid pipe. I don't think JBA typically comes with this. Also with JBA you get their coating, which really has no brand name attached with it..where if you get Kooks coated through us..you get 1700 degree Jet Hot Extreme Sterling silver and the warranty that comes with it. It is very important want your cross shop headers that you compare materials and features..things like 304 stainless, merge collectors, merge spikes, and TIG welding (required for 304 stainless) add a few hundred dollars.

good info, thanks. i think is saw you $1334 price on Ebay and it was for 1 3/4" headers (i could be wrong).

Originally Posted by rodimus prime

Once all the initial dumdums have finished being raped with the new corvette tax, the rest of the world will start buying products when the prices come back to reasonable.

Anyone look at Lingenfelter gears. $799.....WTF? $500 CAI's WTF? $500 cat backs WTF?

Who are the dummies that pay theses prices? I caved on a set of headers with cats for $1,200 but I wasnt happy about it one bit. Im sitting out until things become reasonable. Im suprised people havent jumped up cam prices and labled them as "camaro camshafts" LOL.

so friggin' true brother, so true!

[toehead93]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

I have been selling these parts now for 6 years, and I have not seen the price of anything stainless do anything but go up.

This is my point, no prices will drop. Only time prices will be lower is if a new product comes to the market at a lower price. As long as everyone is paying out the a$$ for everything nothing will change.

[Mzodarg]

Anyone look at Lingenfelter gears. $799, $500 CAI's

Yeah I had the same reaction as you , as long as someone is buying it, the price will stay high.

[MarylandSpeed]

CAI's really went up when the switched to the clip on MAF. I am not sure if that costs CAI makers more to accomodate or something.

[MarylandSpeed]

good info, thanks. i think is saw you $1334 price on Ebay and it was for 1 3/4" headers (i could be wrong).

It's always good to call us for our best price

[RCPW]

Originally Posted by RCPW

I've always been a JBA Fan myself but I would be interested in trying something different with the new 2SS thing time around possibly, more than likly, it's the mufflers that are giving me the hard ass time.

Originally Posted by 2010SSRS

why? any quality issues with the JBA?

Actually Yeah,... The coating on the headers is coming off or something, it's almost like they are rusting or something and I bought the Silver Ceramic kind.

This is the first time I've owned a set of JBA Headers for almost 5 years so i dont know if they are suppose to do this or what, I kind of thought that they would almost keep their original color a little bit.

The Truck only has less than 9000 miles on it also, so keep that in mind too.

I should take a picture of them and post it here to show you what they look like so you can see what I'm taking about. I might do that tomorrow for you guys.

[2010SSRS]

Originally Posted by RCPW

Actually Yeah,... The coating on the headers is coming off or something, it's almost like they are rusting or something and I bought the Silver Ceramic kind.

This is the first time I've owned a set of JBA Headers for almost 5 years so i dont know if they are suppose to do this or what, I kind of thought that they would almost keep their original color a little bit.

The Truck only has less than 9000 miles on it also, so keep that in mind too.

I should take a picture of them and post it here to show you what they look like so you can see what I'm taking about. I might do that tomorrow for you guys.

hmmm. that's BS. probably low grade stainless and not properly prepped before getting coated.

[MarylandSpeed]

A lot of times coating can get dirty, or have deposits burned to it and it looks like rust. This can be cleaned.

Here is a good description of what I am refering to..

http://www.slponline.com/header_mntn.asp?P=30168

[Ivan @ Southwest Speed]

+1 on TSP.......or hell Pacesetters.

Spend the rest of your money you save on stuff you really see and need.

That $1500 1 7/8" setup is looking miiiighty fine!

-Ivan