edmunds drives the v6 !!!!!!! ????????

[Vash]

I would not worry about it. It's not any bigger than the other gen's and they are cake to drive in terms of road room and parking. Only a test drive will tell if you like it.

[Dave McFly]

anybody else besides me totally digging the IROC style alloys on that prototoype? I know I am .

[stovt001]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Yet the other article said the exact opposite: That it didn't feel as big and hefty as it was. And even in the edmunds article, they mentioned right after the part about it being big that "...once we got to the three roads in the area that actually turn, the Camaro acquitted itself nicely, feeling much more nimble..."

Cool. I didn't see that in the other article. What really worries me is the obscene weight. 3900 lbs is just too much, and hearing things like low visibility makes it seem bigger does not ease that concern at all. To give you an idea of my size preferences, Camaro is at the large end, and the MX-5 is at the small end (and the MX-5 is in a very close second too! What can I say, I'm a man of extremes) with the middle being the Mazdaspeed3, WRX, Lancer Ralliart, etc. The rumored Pontiac badged alpha car would be on there, but since Pontiac looks like it won't be anything more than rebadged Chevy Cobalts, Cruzes, and Aveos, I don't think I'll be buying a car from that brand anytime soon. I love the Camaro, but its not set in stone for me and it has very tough competition.

[Vash]

Originally Posted by Dave McFly

anybody else besides me totally digging the IROC style alloys on that prototoype? I know I am .

I had some Z28 rims on my 78 Camaro lol.

Got them from a pawn shop don't remember what year they came off I think 84.

[CWI]

I am surprised at all the people bitching about the weight. At 3700 to 3900 it is only a little heavier than a stanky Stang and lighter than Challenger with equivelent power. Also Zo6 Vette comes in around 3350 and larger price tag.

My old '68 was around 3700 and rated 375hp although they had around 425hp. That makes the '68 and 2010 pretty damn close and the new car has a lot more technology into it. It looks better than anything in it's class by far. Let's remember to compare apples to apples. If you want a Jap car just shut up and by a damn ricer.

No one knows what they are saying when they say GM copied Ford and Dodge. Didn't VW do a retro 5 years befor the '05 Stiny Stang?

[Design1stCode2nd]

I would think we’ll see first drives of production cars around maybe November with full tests say in January or February. It’s getting close fellas.

[rayainsw]

Originally Posted by pinkcamaro10

im not sure, it was from this thread from a while back



http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5771



like i said, that is not a camaro steering wheel, we just guess it will be similar to that.

and i think it is actually called tapshift, or something like that.

A picture in the Motor Trend review ( preview ) seems to show paddles – poking just above the steering wheel spokes as well:

http://image.motortrend.com/f/108175...v6+cockpit.jpg

In this picture, it looks like a similar arrangement to the Corvette’s – to me . . .
- Ray
Occasionally known to be wrong . . .

[radz28]

Originally Posted by CWIweldace

I am surprised at all the people bitching about the weight. At 3700 to 3900 it is only a little heavier than a stanky Stang and lighter than Challenger with equivelent power. Also Zo6 Vette comes in around 3350 and larger price tag.

My old '68 was around 3700 and rated 375hp although they had around 425hp. That makes the '68 and 2010 pretty damn close and the new car has a lot more technology into it. It looks better than anything in it's class by far. Let's remember to compare apples to apples. If you want a Jap car just shut up and by a damn ricer.

No one knows what they are saying when they say GM copied Ford and Dodge. Didn't VW do a retro 5 years befor the '05 Stiny Stang?

Well, when some people come from 4th. Gens. that were about 3500 lbs., 3900 is a pretty big jump. Don't get me wrong, IMHO, if the weight is in the right places, for the right reasons, I'm fine with that as long as there's power there to make up the difference. From everything we're learning, the power is there, and that weight is in the right places, for the right reasons. There's no use in complaining anymore about it because it's already done. I'm ready for people to just accept what is there, and start looking at the car as a whole, and make a judgement after a test drive. You can't please everyone though.

[The_Blur]

Why do they talk so much about weight and so little about weight distribution?

[stovt001]

Originally Posted by CWIweldace

I am surprised at all the people bitching about the weight. At 3700 to 3900 it is only a little heavier than a stanky Stang and lighter than Challenger with equivelent power. Also Zo6 Vette comes in around 3350 and larger price tag.

My old '68 was around 3700 and rated 375hp although they had around 425hp. That makes the '68 and 2010 pretty damn close and the new car has a lot more technology into it. It looks better than anything in it's class by far. Let's remember to compare apples to apples. If you want a Jap car just shut up and by a damn ricer.

No one knows what they are saying when they say GM copied Ford and Dodge. Didn't VW do a retro 5 years befor the '05 Stiny Stang?

Don't get so uppity because I'm considering foreign made performance cars. The Camaro is one of the first thoroughly modern, no excuses affordable performance cars to come from an American manufacturer in years. Generally, if you wanted something decently quick and able to handle the twisties, you had to go foreign. The pure connection between driver, road, and car and amazing handling of the MX-5 are still unmatched in its price range. So you have to respect the Japanese for their performance cars. Not all of them are rice rockets.

The fact is the weight is a big disappointment. Notice that the difference in weight between the Mustang and Corvette is significantly smaller than the difference in weight between the Mustang and Camaro, even though the Corvette has 2 fewer seats and is made of plastic. We blasted the Challenger (rightfully so) for being fat, and the Camaro is nearly the same weight. Weight is the enemy of performance. It makes it harder to stop, go, and turn.

And I think it is ridiculous to tell someone to shut up and buy a foreign car instead of criticizing the Camaro. If we all just shut up and let a flaw this bad slide, then everyone would end up buying a Japanese car. Wouldn't want that would we? GM promised us they put the car on a diet, but it seems to have regained the weight as quickly as most dieters seem to. Pity.

In the end, the numbers themselves don't matter as much to me as what they represent. A great 0-60 is important, but only because of how nice that acceleration will feel and how well it will explode out of corners. Likewise, the actually poundage doesn't directly matter, but if it feels as heavy as it really is, that's a problem. All reviews of the G8 that I've read say that it seems to shrink around you and really doesn't feel like a full-size sedan. Great. If the Camaro can do that, then this won't be a problem. Some articles says it does feel smaller. Edmunds says that while it still handles well, it ultimately feels big and bulky. We'll see who's right and that will partially decide whether I get it or not.

[str8himalaya]

Where does everybody expect them to cut weight with all the safety standards now days? It has IRS, that adds weight too. All these people are so upset about the weight. That weight saved my life a couple years back. If i was in a little honda or something of the sort, i would have been toast, instead i was in a midsize (intrepid) and i thank god everyday that i was. Instead of whinning about the weight, how about all of us try and figure out where to cut it out? Not going to happen, because most everything someone suggests has already been discussed and researched. They made it for a reason like it is, lets just wait to see and then make a judgement.

[Vash]

Well it's not gonna happen now the frame and power train are done deals.

A lot of buyers are gonna be coming from SUV's and trucks so this is nothing weight wise.

What's more important is that in a crash you can walk away / live another day. At the end of a day it's only a machine. As much as we love them otherwise.

[MerF]

I can't wait for the day that 15 punctuation marks at the end of a sentence is not considered a valid way to express a point.

[GTAHVIT]

^You're in for a long frustrating wait....


I hope it doesn't ruin it for you...