GM MAY SALES UP 34%, 223,822 UNITS SOLD - Page 2 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

JEFF2010SSMANUAL · 06-03-2010, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

THAT'S what I like to here!!!

Dare I ask...how are hyundai sales?

And Ford only surpassed GM in sales earlier this year due to fleet sales as well...but when that was brought up...it was okay....sales are sales, right?

And BMW was down

boxmonkeyracing · 06-03-2010, 08:32 AM

what did hummer sale. I read recently that hummer is on life support. . .for the time being. . .

FenwickHockey65 · 06-03-2010, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

what did hummer sale. I read recently that hummer is on life support. . .for the time being. . .

Sale didn't go through. Hummer's shut down, Shreveport Operations built the last H3s a few days ago.

*DGthe3* · 06-03-2010, 02:02 PM

Autoblog has been posting monthly numbers for years now. They list brand sales and total corporate sales, and include things like the daily sales rate.

Here's the link:
http://www.autoblog.com/category/by-the-numbers

LOWDOWN · 06-03-2010, 04:21 PM

...and Edmund's AutoObserver includes the very pertinent "incentives" data which, as always, proves you CAN buy "share"...

http://www.autoobserver.com/2010/06/...ates.html#more

Reminds me of an old joke: "They had to tie a porkchop around his neck to get the dog to play with him..."

*Mr. Wyndham* · 06-03-2010, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

...and Edmund's AutoObserver includes the very pertinent "incentives" data which, as always, proves you CAN buy "share"...

http://www.autoobserver.com/2010/06/...ates.html#more

Reminds me of an old joke: "They had to tie a porkchop around his neck to get the dog to play with him..."

Link broken.

*DGthe3* · 06-03-2010, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

...and Edmund's AutoObserver includes the very pertinent "incentives" data which, as always, proves you CAN buy "share"...

http://www.autoobserver.com/2010/06/...ates.html#more

Reminds me of an old joke: "They had to tie a porkchop around his neck to get the dog to play with him..."

how are their incentives now vs a year ago?

a_Username · 06-03-2010, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGthe3

how are their incentives now vs a year ago?

Quote:

Compared with three years ago, the Japanese automakers have increased their incentives spending by 62 percent while domestic automakers are spending a mere seven percent more..

However, Domestics still spend a much larger amount of money on incentives than their foreign competition.

LOWDOWN · 06-04-2010, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Link broken.

Restored:

http://www.autoobserver.com/2010/06/...ates.html#more

Don't get me wrong...GM has truly done a fantastic job in the past 12 months. Much of that "operational modification" has come at a heavy price for us all. And there IS some more much-needed new product close at hand.

The REAL test will be met when incentives diminish to a level at/below Industry Average. At that point, profits/unit will dramatically improve as the perceived image of the product improves. Until then, with Industry-leading incentives, GM is still paddling against the current...and "public opinion"...

223,000 units X $1600 ($3700+[GM] - $2100+[Toyota]) is closing in on a BILLION DOLLARS...per MONTH...to buy an extra 60,000 units..."Top Domestic" vs. "Top Import"...

Higher oil prices, alone, would narrow that Sales gap...it always has, in the past...

Frankly, the dramatic numbers in Fleet, in some ways, shines a good light on GM. The economy, in many circles, shows signs of improvement, so Business is reinvesting...in new vehicles...and are once again considering GM... Is GM being too generous? To Fleets AND the general public?

*DGthe3* · 06-04-2010, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Restored:

http://www.autoobserver.com/2010/06/...ates.html#more

Don't get me wrong...GM has truly done a fantastic job in the past 12 months. Much of that "operational modification" has come at a heavy price for us all. And there IS some more much-needed new product close at hand.

The REAL test will be met when incentives diminish to a level at/below Industry Average. At that point, profits/unit will dramatically improve as the perceived image of the product improves. Until then, with Industry-leading incentives, GM is still paddling against the current...and "public opinion"...

223,000 units X $1600 ($3700+[GM] - $2100+[Toyota]) is closing in on a BILLION DOLLARS...per MONTH...to buy an extra 60,000 units..."Top Domestic" vs. "Top Import"...

Higher oil prices, alone, would narrow that Sales gap...it always has, in the past...

Frankly, the dramatic numbers in Fleet, in some ways, shines a good light on GM. The economy, in many circles, shows signs of improvement, so Business is reinvesting...in new vehicles...and are once again considering GM... Is GM being too generous? To Fleets AND the general public?

Assuming consumers don't smarten up and realize that many GM products get superior fuel economy to Toyotas.

LOWDOWN · 06-04-2010, 01:26 PM

Gibby, on another thread recently, someone with tongue in cheek suggested Toyota has/had the "greatest Marketing in the World" (I'm paraphrasing...).

Whether fact or fiction, GM MUST improve "image"...and MARKETING is definitely part of that. "Perception IS truth", goes the axiom. In '08, with gas @ $4.00+/gallon, where did people rush to? They dumped their Avalanches, in "avalanches", for Priuses, spending thou$and$ to save a few bucks on gas.

Pray that doesn't happen the "next time"...

*DGthe3* · 06-04-2010, 01:31 PM

Oh I know, I personally like the phrase "perception is more important than reality" but its all the same idea. And expecting consumers to get smarter is very wishful thinking. But, Toyota did take a big reputation hit because of quality/safety issues this year ... maybe people will be open to doing more research before buying cars and actually learn that certain myths are no longer true.

What can I say ... I'm a dreamer, lol

Xanthos · 06-04-2010, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Oh I know, I personally like the phrase "perception is more important than reality" but its all the same idea. And expecting consumers to get smarter is very wishful thinking. But, Toyota did take a big reputation hit because of quality/safety issues this year ... maybe people will be open to doing more research before buying cars and actually learn that certain myths are no longer true.

What can I say ... I'm a dreamer, lol

I'm hoping people will start doing the research for themselves, but I doubt that will happen. Most people are just too lazy to dig any deeper than what the commercials/salespeople tell them.
- X

*Mr. Wyndham* · 06-04-2010, 07:18 PM

I think they'll be fine, personally. It's all a matter of time at this point. They have the product, the cost structure, and the drive. They are incrementally gaining market share, Ford is too -- and between the two of them...I believe they'll be able to compete against the imports effectively.

I would agree GM needs improved marketing, even though I'm a fan of "May the Best car Win".

06-03-2010, 02:02 PM	#18
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,372	Autoblog has been posting monthly numbers for years now. They list brand sales and total corporate sales, and include things like the daily sales rate. Here's the link: http://www.autoblog.com/category/by-the-numbers __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

06-03-2010, 04:21 PM	#19
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	...and Edmund's AutoObserver includes the very pertinent "incentives" data which, as always, proves you CAN buy "share"... http://www.autoobserver.com/2010/06/...ates.html#more Reminds me of an old joke: "They had to tie a porkchop around his neck to get the dog to play with him..." Last edited by LOWDOWN; 06-04-2010 at 09:22 AM.

06-04-2010, 01:31 PM	#26
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,372	Oh I know, I personally like the phrase "perception is more important than reality" but its all the same idea. And expecting consumers to get smarter is very wishful thinking. But, Toyota did take a big reputation hit because of quality/safety issues this year ... maybe people will be open to doing more research before buying cars and actually learn that certain myths are no longer true. What can I say ... I'm a dreamer, lol __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

06-04-2010, 07:18 PM	#28
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,876 View My Garage	I think they'll be fine, personally. It's all a matter of time at this point. They have the product, the cost structure, and the drive. They are incrementally gaining market share, Ford is too -- and between the two of them...I believe they'll be able to compete against the imports effectively. I would agree GM needs improved marketing, even though I'm a fan of "May the Best car Win". __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Official INFERNO ORANGE METALLIC (IOM) Camaro Thread	Tran	Camaro Photos \| Spyshots \| Video \| Media Gallery	3819	02-25-2024 01:45 PM
2010 Camaro color and model popularity as of Mar 06, 2010 (from spasticsquirrel)	TAP101	5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions	47	08-01-2011 05:17 PM
U.S. auto sales plunge	KILLER74Z28	General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion	24	10-03-2008 04:38 AM
September Sales	FenwickHockey65	General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion	15	10-01-2008 07:17 PM

06-04-2010, 01:26 PM	#25
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	Gibby, on another thread recently, someone with tongue in cheek suggested Toyota has/had the "greatest Marketing in the World" (I'm paraphrasing...). Whether fact or fiction, GM MUST improve "image"...and MARKETING is definitely part of that. "Perception IS truth", goes the axiom. In '08, with gas @ $4.00+/gallon, where did people rush to? They dumped their Avalanches, in "avalanches", for Priuses, spending thou$and$ to save a few bucks on gas. Pray that doesn't happen the "next time"...