Need HONEST opinions on BIG HP

[jrpxxii]

The best so far without slicks is a 10.05 and it was spinning with terrible 60' time.The TVS2300 just falls on its face at the big end but the low end is insane. I think with this kinda power I will benefit from a mid to top power curve as it has enough power to get off the line and pick up on the big end. The Nelson setup is exactly what I am looking for except I already have the built engine, just needing to figure out if I want to go down the twin turbo route or just bolt a KB 3.6 and go on down the road. I think there is just too much going to be involved in the twin turbo than simply just putting a new supercharger on it. Car is getting full slicks, skinnies and getting Craig at Extreme Innovations to do my cage and engine and subframe cradle and hopefully a 9" rear end.

[speedster]

Originally Posted by jrpxxii

The best so far without slicks is a 10.05 and it was spinning with terrible 60' time.The TVS2300 just falls on its face at the big end but the low end is insane. I think with this kinda power I will benefit from a mid to top power curve as it has enough power to get off the line and pick up on the big end. The Nelson setup is exactly what I am looking for except I already have the built engine, just needing to figure out if I want to go down the twin turbo route or just bolt a KB 3.6 and go on down the road. I think there is just too much going to be involved in the twin turbo than simply just putting a new supercharger on it.

At this point your assumption is correct.

Car is getting full slicks, skinnies and getting Craig at Extreme Innovations to do my cage and engine and subframe cradle and hopefully a 9" rear end.

Yeah, finally getting it to Craig for the goodies. More power will not do you any good if you can't get it to hook...

[jrpxxii]

Thanks Bruce I think this is what I am doing and I spoke with the Challenger guys and they cant say enough good things about the 3.6. Like you say it will be easy and painless and put the curve where it needs to be. I am going to let Craig do some work as well and hopefully help me dial the suspension in while Im up there and be ready by August for Challengerfest as I know you are shooting for this deadline as well. I will give Frank a call as I am also talking with Mark at KYSpeed as he wants to help out and he also works closely with a very well known tuner AKA Bluecat. I hope you get the SST together as it has been one long project but looks like your almost there and will be well worth it. Looks awesome and the fab work is incredible. See you soon.

[speedster]

Originally Posted by jrpxxii

Thanks Bruce I think this is what I am doing and I spoke with the Challenger guys and they cant say enough good things about the 3.6. Like you say it will be easy and painless and put the curve where it needs to be. I am going to let Craig do some work as well and hopefully help me dial the suspension in while Im up there and be ready by August for Challengerfest as I know you are shooting for this deadline as well. I will give Frank a call as I am also talking with Mark at KYSpeed as he wants to help out and he also works closely with a very well known tuner AKA Bluecat. I hope you get the SST together as it has been one long project but looks like your almost there and will be well worth it. Looks awesome and the fab work is incredible. See you soon.

Cool stuff J. I think that is your wisest option at this juncture. With the additional mid/top end and having Craig get your car to hook - it will be MUCH faster than it is now. Please MAKE SURE you do not lean out at all - both fuel system and injectors.

I am really hoping the SST will be at ChallengerFest, but that clock keeps on ticking. It will be down to the wire. I am afraid it will be running about 3 days before and there will be zero track time. Suspension tuning will be a negative factor. Did you ever figure out what wheel/slicks you are going to go with ? I guess Craig is going to get a workout...

[Dreamer2430]

Will you PM me a list of your drive train upgrades, suspension and brake kit (along with the costs if you don't mind). I would love to be where you are with your car, but I really like the tt system GMS has. You have an amazing car based on what I've read on this thread

[speedster]

Originally Posted by Dreamer2430

Will you PM me a list of your drive train upgrades, suspension and brake kit (along with the costs if you don't mind). I would love to be where you are with your car, but I really like the tt system GMS has. You have an amazing car based on what I've read on this thread

He went crazy with his car.
Part of his buildup is here: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70132

[dracer98]

Originally Posted by jrpxxii

Think I am going with KB as I have seen many impressive KB cars and believe the 3.6 will live up to its ratings. I am just not such a fan of turbos but everyone has their opinions and why I opened this thread..

Not a fan of Turbos because they make the car too fast? Too reliable? Too much Power?

Originally Posted by jrpxxii

As far as money goes, the twins and the 3.6 are the same money. I just dont want to design a different engine but enhance what I already have as I have already spent over $100k on this car, so pinching pennies is out the window already. .

Why would you need a new engine? The configuration would not change a bit. Blower cam/Turbo cam - they are all so close it makes no difference. The days of needing "a turbo cam" are over. They are so effiecent they work with just about any cam out there.

Originally Posted by jrpxxii

I just think bolting the KB unit on and gaining 300-400hp more is the easiest way and I love the looks of the KB and their track record. .

Track record? the record of never answering their phone The record for telling thier customer when something goes wrong it is not their fault so it must be yours

Originally Posted by jrpxxii

I am listening and open to all input and just looking for someone to backup my decision or persuade me with input on a new idea.

I wish you the best of luck - I am waiting to see a 2010 Camaro that puts down a real 1000hp to the tires with a real LS series motor of any kind.

[thekid96]

KB might be easier to bolt on but the TT's will be more efficient, easier on fuel down low, cooler IAT's, and boost by gear can ramp that boost in 1-4 so you can actually use it.

[speedster]

Originally Posted by dracer98

...the GMS TT kit makes 1250 to the tires at 18psi

Originally Posted by dracer98

I wish you the best of luck - I am waiting to see a 2010 Camaro that puts down a real 1000hp to the tires with a real LS series motor of any kind.

Well if the first post is true, then the second should already be validated. Cool.
Dyno chart ?

[dracer98]

Originally Posted by EJ

What about this one?

http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/p..._572bbc_tt.pdf

Or, this one: http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/p..._454lsx_tt.pdf

1 trip to Nelson Racing and you will wonder how they make the power. Everything is spread out all over the place. It is hard not to make power with 2 turbos and 572 cubic inches. They believe thier own BS too

[Qwkss]

Originally Posted by jrpxxii

Also open to any shops that can sell the KB 3.6 and possibly do install. I would prefer a shop fairly close to KY that I can work with. Texas Speed & Performance did the original build and I have nothing but good things to say about these guys but good lordy it was a cross country haul to get to them. It would be nice to find a shop in my region that would be willing to work personally with me and my car as this will be an on going process to get it tweaked just right with a tune and getting to hook up. I just havent found anyone close to me that is capable of doing my car. I am sure there is someone out there, I am hoping anyways.

We are right off I75, 9 miles across the Ohio river, in Cincinnati. Shoot me a PM with your number so I can call you and talk further.

Craig

[dracer98]

Originally Posted by jrpxxii

The best so far without slicks is a 10.05 and it was spinning with terrible 60' time.The TVS2300 just falls on its face at the big end but the low end is insane. I think with this kinda power I will benefit from a mid to top power curve as it has enough power to get off the line and pick up on the big end. The Nelson setup is exactly what I am looking for except I already have the built engine, just needing to figure out if I want to go down the twin turbo route or just bolt a KB 3.6 and go on down the road. I think there is just too much going to be involved in the twin turbo than simply just putting a new supercharger on it. Car is getting full slicks, skinnies and getting Craig at Extreme Innovations to do my cage and engine and subframe cradle and hopefully a 9" rear end.

It is just that simple. The Twin kit would go right on

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86427

Check out these pics of the install

Originally Posted by Granatelli

Well here is the top view. Please note how clean it all looks. Also this should dispell the question of increased under hood temps - as you can see there is nothing there to increase the temps


Here is a shot of the turbos mounted side by side to the transmission housing. Even by design the turbos trap the heat to spool quicker and move the exhaust temp down stream


Please note how clean the installation is. Everything is where it belongs. Talk about a "factory-looking" install


Each kit includes a shield that adds extra protection to the turbos and oil lines. However we were cognizant not to mount anything below the frame rail so even if the shield were not there, the cars sub frame would hit before the turbos


Each turbo is fed independent of the other and channels to the intercooler cores before they meet in a single monster 3.5 discharge pipe.

[dracer98]

Originally Posted by speedster

Well if the first post is true, then the second should already be validated. Cool.
Dyno chart ?

Well I was referring to thier multiple Corvettes. I have seen 4 different twin turbo cars run 9's at 150-something at 3500lbs. I am sure with in 90 more days we will see multiple 2010 F body dyno videos in the 4 digit range. Remember to get 1000 rwhp the engine needs to be making minimum 1200

[silverfox]

Originally Posted by dracer98

It is just that simple. The Twin kit would go right on

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86427

Check out these pics of the install

Is that an a6 in that car and if so what was done to it to handle all that power?